Patriots Accuse Texans of Tampering

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  1. JB

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    Does it have to be a 1st? And what is your source of info?
     
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  2. JamTex

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    They were talking about it on the NFL Network. They didn't specify a round. I have no idea if it would have to be a 1st round pick or not. I'm sure it would likely need to be in the first 4 rounds, but that's just an assumption. I really don't know.
     
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    This is just the Pats looking for a loophole to block an interview.

    They always operate on the fringes and find ways to get what they want.
     
  4. KA4Texan

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    The Patriots finally get to accuse someone else of cheating....... I hope they they lose their case and we get a valuable GM.

    I'm not for losing a first round for a GM, especially looking at the schedule and the high value that pick will likely have, but.. I'd rather walk away with something for our first, the upside is it will piss off BB and the Patriots, that's a first well spent that we will likely lose anyway.

    Wouldnt be surprised to find out that this was all a set up to get the Pat's the Texans first pick AND he had no intention to leave the Pats.
     
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  5. JamTex

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    They do indeed operate on the fringes of what's right, but this time, they may have made the wrong move. Kraft and Belichick might not have thought about the Texans being able to solve this whole thing just by offering them a draft pick. That would really throw a monkey wrench in the works of their trying to find a "loop hole" to slow or stop the Texans from getting their GM. Let's see what happens. Hopefully it's over today or early this week.
     
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  6. JamTex

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    Actually, should the Pats get the pick, Caserio is then the Texans GM by way of trade. All he'll need to do is get in the building and sign the contract.
     
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  7. bigmck

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    How can it be Tampering if the Texans are offering the guy a promotion? Don't the Pats HAVE to allow the interview? If it is just a matter of the Texans having talked to him before asking the Pats for an interview, that is pretty petty.
     
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    It's tampering if the Texans talked to Caserio about the position before the Pats gave permission. There is a lot of vagueness to Caserio's position with the Pats so they probably wanted to get a full description of this "promotion" the Texans would be offering. The Pats could then declare that it wasn't a promotion and block the Texans from interviewing Caserio.
    If Caserio really is all that and a bag of chips, you can bet on BB pulling out all the stops to keep him.
     
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    Why are you so certain that Caserio wants to come to Houston? He might very well have turned down McNair if he has a similar role already, on the winningest team of the decade.
     
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  10. JamTex

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    Well, as you know, in a trade, does the party traded have any choice about going to the team they are traded to? Not really. After the trade, the party that is traded is no longer an employee or member of the team they are traded from. At that point, would they have much of a choice but to sign a contract with their new team? As long as the contract is to their approval anyways. Then, once they agree on a contract, they pretty much should sign that contract and prepare to work with their new team.
     
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  11. Hervoyel

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    Checkerboard? The Texans never worked out what to do with that stick and ball of string.
     
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  12. maverick512000

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    And you are basing this on what? The many years he has spent as a GM across many successful franchises? Because if we are just basing it on the Pats that not something I'm comfortable with because what makes the Pats great both have a first name that start with B. People are acting like this guy is the secret weapon of the Pats that makes them great. News flash people, the final say on drafts and team always has been and always will be controlled by BB. Add to that TB on the field makes guys that on any other team would be average at best look like superstars so the Pats always look better than they are. Doesn't hurt that they have gotten to feast on a division almost as weak as the AFCS.

    Not saying Caserio wouldn't be good but there are way to many unknows. This reminds me of that "Can't miss, sure fire all pro" in every draft that people insist couldn't possibly be a bust. And how many times is that guy a bust? Its not worth it to lose a first, and from what I've read the Pats can have say in what round, just to INTREVIEW the guy. What's to stop him from then saying "You know what, with the Pats having two first round picks this year think I'm going to just stay up there and have a fresh lobster dinner and clam chowder to celebrate our latest brilliant draft move."
     
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    Doesn't work that way, just like the Texans would have to show it is a promotion the Pats have to show its not. In other states contracts, especially Exec ones, carry a lot more weight than they do in Texas. Pats can't just up and decide "oh hey this is now part of your job scope" or "guess what you now have this authority" without rewriting what is spelled out in his contract. Just like the vagueness in BoBs level of power and the Org structure could hurt the Texans argument the fact that titles mean little in NE and BB has final say on everything could hurt their argument.
     
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    Again where are you pulling this from? You can't force someone to sign a contract to work for you, that's so illegal its not even funny. Really I don't even think you can trade executives, the whole draft picks thing is not about a trade its a penalty for tampering.

    "A transfer of draft choices could be in play if the Texans are found to have tampered in their pursuit of Caserio, according to the “specific penalties” section of the anti-tampering policy.
    In recent tampering cases involving players, the offending team has been fined and/or lost draft picks. The Jets were docked $100,000 in 2015 for tampering with then-Patriots cornerback Darrelle Revis.
    In addition to being fined $350,000, the Chiefs were stripped of a 2016 third-round pick and a 2017 sixth-round pick for tampering with wide receiver Jeremy Maclin while he was still under contract with the Eagles. "

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/0...s-against-texans-for-pursuit-of-nick-caserio/


    Players agree to the rules of the NFL when they sign on as a player, even then there are loopholes just ask the Colts when they drafted Elway, but FO people are hired strictly by the team itself. Its why their salaries don't count towards the cap. You're comparing apples to oranges.
     
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    So you would be good with the Texans trading away a draft pick for a GM who doesn't want to be the Texans GM (hypothetically)? I'm playing devil's advocate with this, but we really don't know if Caserio even wants to leave NE.
     
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    I hate to say this but I saw all this tampering stuff coming from a mile away. Originally I thought they would use this as a road block or stall tactic to by time and force the situation to be dragged out, hoping the Texans would just give up eventually and go look elsewhere. Now, I'm not so sure. It may be they know they are going to lose Caserio so they want to get some kind of compensation in return and the tampering charge is the way to get it. If JamTex is correct in what he heard, and all the Texans have to do is offer them a draft pick, then I think this was what the Pats were looking for if they believe they were going to lose Caserio anyway. If this is all true then the only question now is what draft pick do the Texans give them?
     
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    Coaches salaries don't count against the cap and there have been 5 traded for draft picks. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but salaries not counting towards the cap isn't a reason you wouldn't be able to trade for a GM.
     
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    I think the Texans tampered. That's what happens when you elevate some character coach to an executive position. He probably doesn't know all the rules.

    Secondly, I don't think Caserio really wants to come here. There has been no indication he is even interested in interviewing.
     
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    Israel awards Patriots owner Robert Kraft the ‘Jewish Nobel’ prize
    JERUSALEM (AP) — New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft has been awarded Israel’s 2019 Genesis Prize in recognition of his philanthropy and commitment to combatting anti-Semitism, organizers of the prize announced on Wednesday.

    The $1 million award, widely known as the “Jewish Nobel” prize, is granted each year to a person recognized as an inspiration to the next generation of Jews through professional achievement and commitment to Jewish values.
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    https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/09/israel-robert-kraft-jewish-nobel-prize
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    So sometime after the presentation in his home that Easterby, Caserio, et. al., attended looks like Kraft took his "Jewish Values" to collect the "Jewish Nobel" prize
    in Israel and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bobby obtained a quick BJ or maybe a series of BJs while in the promised land.
     
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  20. maverick512000

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    I know what you are referring to but even those weren't trades in the same sense as a players traded.

    Bill Belichick: The Jets were awarded the Pats first round pick by the NFL. The NFL awarded the Pats the Jets 5th and they swapped 7ths. That wasn't a trade as it was the NFL making a ruling.

    Bill Parcells: Indirectly ties in to the BB deal and was one of the reasons that Jets didn't get a boat load from the Pats in that deal because they had pulled shady stunts first. Plus the NFL love affair with NE was just getting started because the Jets got hammered by the NFL for this one.

    Herm Edwards: Wanted to leave the Jets and KC gave them a fourth rounder to release him from his contract but after that he didn't have to sign with KC.

    Mike Holmgren: Pretty much the same deal as above.

    Jon Gruden: About the closest to a player style trade as there is on the list. Oakland didn't want to give him a big money deal so they got what they could before his contract ran out.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/2015/12/nfl_5_coaches_who_have_been_tr.html

    So even on the coaches that were traded it wasn't like when players are traded. This situation is more like the one between the Jets and the Pats than any others which is bad for us because Pats rarely lose these kinds of fights.

    On a side note I find it interesting that three of these deals included the Jets. Guess no one really wants to coach there in addition to not wanting to play there.
     
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