Pat Kirwan on the 2006 Rookies

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  1. ledzeppelin229

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    http://nfl.com/news/story/9907670

    I thought it was a pretty good read...the sort of stuff we've been saying on this board all season. It would be an enlightening piece for Richard Justice..I'm sure it gets pretty dark when your entire face is up a players behind. (No names will be mentioned.)

     
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    Didn't want to make a new thread for this, but wanted to share it.

    I thought this was some weird reading about VY:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/01/04/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html

    "Vince Young missed the Titans' team flight to Philadelphia, and his reaction worried some people close to him. Upset at being left behind, Young indicated he wasn't going to make the trip on his own. But he did, and led the Titans to a victory. In the two days afterward, he didn't show up to watch film. The immaturity extended to the field at times. On Dec. 17 against the Jaguars he threw a third-down pass out of bounds to stop the clock after coaches told him not to throw it under any circumstance.
    -- The Tennessean"

    I remember that pass....the announcers minds were boggled at VY stopping the clock.
     
  3. Tailgate

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    So according to this guy.... we got the 4th and 12th most valued picks with our first two. Considering Mario was hurt alot of this season, and in the end should move up this ladder quite a bit..... we have basically TWO pro bowl defensive type studs from ONE DRAFT to build around. Its a shame about spencer.... but man, our draft really was a good one.
     
  4. TexanFanInCC

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    Exactly why we shouldnt give up on Mario. I honestly think alot of you mario bashers are going to be stuffing crow either next season or 2 seasons from now. I think we need to draft the best available DT to help make this happen.
     
  5. nunusguy

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    1. Vince Young
    2. Matt Leinart
    3. Jay Cutler
    4. DeMeco Ryans
    5. Reggie Bush
    6. Maurice Jones-Drew
    7. Mark Anderson
    8. Marques Colston
    9. A.J. Hawk
    10. Devin Hester
    11. Kamerion Wimbley
    12. Mario Williams
    13. Nick Mangold
    14. D'Brickashaw Ferguson
    15. Santonio Holmes
    16. Laurence Maroney
    17. Joseph Addai
    18. Marcus McNeill
    19. Johnathan Joseph
    20. Dawan Landry
    **************************************
    Here's the writers top 20 in hindsight, and much of it I agree with, especially
    with the QBs going 1-2-3. Afterall no single other position is nearly as valuable as QB and these are 3 very good QBs. All for different reasons.
    One of my biggest reservations about his ranking is making DeMeco #4 overall. And don't get me wrong, I love DeMeco but MLBs just don't go top 4
    Same goes for Mangold - centers just don't go that high.
     
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    DeMeco should've been either 1 or 2. And MJD should've been the first running back.
     
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    i agree. i agree with vince at 1, but demeco's accomplishments were far greater than leinharts or cutlers. cutler hardly played until the second half of the season. he shouldnt be ahead of demeco bc of it. i agree that MJD shoulda been the first rb.
     
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    He forgot:

    Fifth, Mario has been playing through pain for most of the year with a foot injury.
     


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    OT Marcus McNeill should be MUCH higher rated. He should be around #5 or #6. He has done wonders in San Diego. Why Cutler is #3 I will never know. The team was 7-2 with Plummer then went into the tank once Cutler was made the starter.....they didn't make the playoffs.

    my top 10

    young
    leinart
    demeco
    jones-drew
    bush
    mcneill
    colston
    dbrick
    addai
    mario

    as for most value where they were picked I would go with Colston #1 and Demeco #2
     
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    7-4 before
    2-3 with cutler- including SD so it wasnt that bad..SF was the only really bad loss
     
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    1. Vince Young
    2. Jay Cutler
    3. Matt Leinart
    4. Marcus McNeill
    5. Maurice Jones-Drew
    6. Marques Colston
    7. Reggie Bush
    8. A.J. Hawk
    9. Kamerion Wimbley
    10. Mario Williams
    11. Laurence Maroney
    12. Joseph Addai
    13. D'Brickashaw Ferguson
    14. DeMeco Ryans
    15. Devin Hester
    16. Mark Anderson
    17. Santonio Holmes
    18. Johnathan Joseph
    19. Nick Mangold
    20. Elvis Dumervill
     
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    The fact that you've left Cutler off the list tells me all I need to know about your list.


    Very nice post LedZepplin.
     
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    Is that supposed to be a joke? :ok:
     
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    Cutler has far and away the best arm of the "Big Three". And while he can't
    run like VY, unlike Leinert he does have good mobility and is considered to be
    fairly tough and durable.
    While Vince has been fabulous his rookie year, over the longer term Cutler may very well be the best of the QBs and therefor at the head of this very
    strong Draft class.
     
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    Very Elegantly put nunsguy...but perls before swine and all off that. I see it too. Takes longer for some I suppose.
     
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    OK, whats so funny ? Let me guess, you don't like where I've ranked DeMeco ?
    Inside backers, no matter how productive in tackles, just aren't aren't ranked
    that highly when compared to other D guys like Down Lineman, elite pass rushers, outside backers, and corners.
     
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    Are you guys s s stupid! Bush should always be # 1 on the list no matter what. I cant believe this, putting one of the best players ever lower than 1. U crazy wigger!
     
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    Thats not true, a elite middle linebacker is a position you can build a defense around. Chicago and Baltimore. Urlacher was taken ninth and I'm sure there are teams above the spot where the Bears grabbed him that would love to have him.

    You look at every great defense in this league and they all are very stout up the middle. Which is the reason why DeMeco at #14 is crazy. Pat Kirwan wasn't ranking positions, he was ranking the best rookies.........DeMeco doesn't drop out of the top five. According to your list Devin Hester at #15 is (right behind a player that had the most tackles in the past 20 years as a rookie MLB) you have a special teamer.......................which is what Hester was, special teamers don't get taken in the first round let alone top 15.
     
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    Watching him play, I just don't see it. He get's rattled pretty easily, and looked like JakePlummer back there a few games. After a full season of being the man next year, I don't think he'll hold up.

    & being more mobile than Lienart?? I don't think so. Lienart has looked very good, and mobile enough for a QB...

    I'm sorry, but I don't see Cutler in the same class as Lienart & Young...... I think Denver made a mistake moving up to get him in hindsight.
     
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    Watching him play, I just don't see it. He get's rattled pretty easily, and looked like JakePlummer back there a few games. After a full season of being the man next year, I don't think he'll hold up.

    & being more mobile than Lienart?? I don't think so. Lienart has looked very good, and mobile enough for a QB...

    I'm sorry, but I don't see Cutler in the same class as Lienart & Young...... I think Denver made a mistake moving up to get him in hindsight.[/QUOTE]

    man yo wack, cutler is already better than elway
     

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