Our OLine - statwise

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  1. gtexan02

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    Well I never had heard of this site until Runner posted it in the Black thread, so I thought I'd bring the info here. Stats don't mean everything, especially with OL, but they do begin to give you a picture. Here they are:

    Tackles:
    Ephraim Salaam - 15 games, started 14.
    4 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    7.5 Sacks Allowed

    Charles Spencer - 2 games, started 2.
    1 False Start
    0 Holdings
    1 Sack Allowed

    Eric Winston - 12 games, started 7.
    1 False Start
    1 Holding
    2.5 Sacks Allowed

    Zach Wiegart (no longer on team) - 9 games, started 9.
    1 False Start
    3 Holdings
    3.75 Sacks Allowed

    Brad Bedel - 9 games, started 0.
    0 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    2 Sacks Allowed

    Guards
    Chester Pitts - 16 games, started 16
    3 False Starts
    3 Holdings
    4.75 Sacks Allowed

    Fred Weary - 15 games, started 12.
    3 False Starts
    1 Holding
    3.0 Sacks Allowed

    Scott Jackson - 0 games, started 0.
    No stats

    Centers
    Steve McKinney - 16 games, started 6.
    0 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    0.5 Sacks Allowed

    Drew Hodgdon - 7 games, started 5.
    0 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    3 Sacks Allowed

    Mike Flanagan - 9 games, started 9.
    0 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    0.75 Sacks Allowed

    Free Agent Acquisitions:
    Jordan Black - 16 games, started 15.
    1 False Start
    3 Holdings
    13 Sacks Allowed

    Here is what I can conclude. Out of our tackles, Eric Winston was statistically the best. He didn't play every game, so its tough to get a good read, but he seemed to do pretty well for a rookie on a broken line.

    Both our guards were comparable to their expensive FA counterparts. Both gave up a few more sacks than the FAs, but not any huge increase

    As for centers, Hodgdon isn't even comparable to the other two.

    Ex-Texans
    Seth Wand - 7 games, started 0.
    0 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    0 Sacks Allowed

    Todd Wade - 3 games, started 1.
    0 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    0 Sacks Allowed

    Milford Brown - 13 games, started 12.
    0 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    2 Sacks Allowed


    Other Teams Free Agents Signed This FA Period That We Didn't Target

    Eric Steinbach - OG - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Denver)
    5 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    3.5 Sacks Allowed

    Kris Dielman - OG - 15 games, started 15. (Signed with San Diego)
    2 False Starts
    1 Holding
    2 Sacks Allowed

    Leonard Davis - LT - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Dallas)
    9 False Starts
    2 Holdings
    8 Sacks Allowed

    Derrick Dockery - OG - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Buffalo)
    6 False Starts
    1 Holding
    3 Sacks Allowed

    Tony Pashos - RT - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Jacksonville)
    3 False Starts
    0 Holding
    2 Sacks Allowed

    Luke Petitgout - RT - 9 games, started 9. (signed with Tampa)
    3 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    4.5 Sacks Allowed

    Jon Stinchcomb - LT/RT - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with New Orleans)
    3 False Starts
    0 Holdings
    4 Sacks Allowed

    Langston Walker - T - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Buffalo)
    5 False Starts
    3 Holdings
    10.75 Sacks Allowed

    I'm not sure what all these other players received in terms of $$$, but take from it what you will. I'm not sure why we didn't show interest in more FAs out there. There weren't many great ones, but there were a few that we seemed to miss out on.

    PS: Feel free to add anyone I missed to this list
     
  2. Runner

    Runner Hubcap Diamond Staff Member

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    Thanks for the props, but it was Texans84.
     
  3. gtexan02

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    Sorry for the misprops. I'm a bit of a messageboard stereotypist I guess. All you blue names look the same:shades:
     
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    The stats on Flannagan, Winston, and McKinney look good. I dunno what everyone is hussing and fussing over.

    if they stay healthy that would be great to have as an O-Line....just get a good LT and LG.
     
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    PS: Some numbers to shoot for in a LT:

    Jamaal Brown - LT Saints - 3 sacks allowed all season
    Marcus McNeil - LT Chargers - 5 sacks allowed all season


    And some numbers that show you that stats aren't everything:
    Walter Jones - T Seahawks - 10.5 sacks allowed
    Orlando Pace - T Rams - 4.5 sacks in 8 games
     
  6. thunderkyss

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    well, it's a kinda hard to assign blame for stats to begin with. You don't know who was supposed to do what in the first place.

    It's even harder trying to figure out how these guys credited the sacks, because we don't know what they were thinking our OLmen were supposed to do.

    I'm currently going back through our season, watching my recorded games. I'm on the Giants game, and so far, I've got one, maybe two sacks on Salaam.

    I can't imagine how Flanagan only has 0.75 sacks...
     
  7. TEXANS84

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    I love snapstats.com, but they've missed one key point on Flanagan. It should read like this:

    Mike Flanagan- 9 games, started 9.
    0 false starts
    0 holdings
    0.75 sacks allowed
    6 times stepped on quarterbacks foot resulting in fumble and/or sack
     


  9. Runner

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    Insert my normal "what would the stats look like if the Texans QB took five and seven step drops" comment here.
     
  10. Insideop

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    Maybe that was one where he stepped on Carr's foot and a D-lineman came in and "touched" him as he lay on the ground. lol: Flanagan was credited with .75 sacks and the D-lineman was credited with .25 sacks! :laughjump:
     
  11. t_flare

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    these stats doesnt tell you how many times they didnt hit their man to open up a hole for the RB, these stats doesnt show how many times they were beat and Carr got hit during and after the pass.
     
  12. TwinSisters

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    Orlando Pace
    averages about 5 sacks a year

    Walter Jones 2006
    16 starts
    2 FS
    2 H
    10.5 sacks
     
  13. A Texan

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    QB getting his foot stepped on by the center is not the center's fault. It's the QB's.
     
  14. Exithios

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    It is usually due to a slow drop back or from pushing off with the front foot as opposed to pushing off with the back foot. I beleive Carr squares his feet when under center. It is an easy fix.
     
  15. real

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    Bingo.
     

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