Our New Schemes on Both Sides of the Ball Will Promote Adaptability

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  1. CloakNNNdagger

    CloakNNNdagger Site Contributor

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    Expect a different battle cry. Look for the old "We must work HARDER" to turn to "We must work SMARTER."

    Pulled this very astute piece by Rivers McCown published near the end of last season.

    FOR THE REST OF THE STORY CLICK THE LINK IN THE TITLE
     
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  2. kiwitexansfan

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    For sure, one of the key themes to look for in FA and draft will be football intelligence and scheme flexibility.
     
  3. RTP2110

    RTP2110 Thank You Andre

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    Spot on article, IMO. It seemed to me that the more coaching Keenum received, the worse he played.
     
  4. texan_joe

    texan_joe Rookie

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    Or...... The more tape teams got on Keenum the more he sucked. I understand the UH lovefest that some people in this city have for the guy, hell I'm a UT fan and had the same for VY, we were both wrong.
     
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  5. Allstar

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    Scheming every week against our opponents on both sides of the ball is what has me most excited about O'Brien.
     
  6. Hervoyel

    Hervoyel The Right Track

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    It has seemed like that applied to a number of players here. Guys got here and seldom got better as a result.
     
  7. Scooter

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    good link doc. i'm a keenum fan, that's no secret. i'm NOT however a hometown or UofH homer - i don't think i've ever actually watched a UofH game. i said before and still believe that he has every tool necessary to be a success. there's a reason i'm not a talent evaluator though, the tools i see may or may not be the exact package of skills required to make it. i'm very anxious to see how o'brien rates keenum.

    what i took from this article is a stance i agree with - "but to me that points to a failure of coaching". kubiak's a fantastic teacher and he has a great system, one of the best. it's a very very structured system however. it's at it's best with longer developing timing and option routes, usually from play-action and heavier packages. despite being strong at drawing up route combinations, kubiak doesnt run 4+ receiver and shotgun offenses well at all, it's just ugly. this spread attack is the adjustment he tried to make to focus on keenum's perceived strengths however, to both of their detriments. with the injuries at runningback, the offensive line falling apart and essentially a rookie who frankly wasnt ready yet, we saw the unavoidable results.

    i'm trying not to magnify keenum's highlights and ignore his lowlights, but as a fan it's sometimes hard to do. he's got a lot of work to do to make it in this league, but as i started with, i think he has the tools and if given the chance to get comfortable with the system in camp - keenum could be very very good.
     
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  8. OzzO

    OzzO .. and then?

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    or.... numerous players that started well with the team then ended up not being "Texans worthy" & dropped went on to be amazing additions to other teams
     


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    To be honest, I really think that the majority of Keenum's drop off came from CBs and Safeties not giving up on the play and letting receivers go (deep) after 10 or so seconds. The guy is a master at avoiding the sack, staying behind the LOS (WAY behind, in many cases), and then throwing a bomb to somebody that is no longer covered because some DB thought the play was basically over already.

    I'm not saying Kubiak's spread out wide and throw it short (and soon) Offense didn't screw him up some, though. I just think it was mostly the Defenses figuring him out.

    And I was definitely a supporter of Keenum until it was clearly not working anymore.

    PS-if OB shocks me and says, "Keenum is our starter," I will definitely watch with interest, though.
     
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  10. jtexas

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    I think his decline was

    1/3 anticipation by opponents of how he reacts to certain coverages and blitzing. He took some massive sacks trying to extend plays.
    1/3 lack of creative play calling
    1/3 lack of a running game and protection toward the end

    Let's not discount the whole Schaub/Kubiak drama either. I speculate there was a lot of opinion in that locker room on who should be starting and I doubt it was motivational.
     
  11. _King_

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    Keenum is not what told me about this past coaching staff. There were several examples of poor adjustments, bad personnel management, and slow short AND long term recognition.

    I do not know for sure that OB will be the guy that gets us where we want to be, but I feel better about him than I did about the previous staff. But I wanted them gone so bad I probably would have felt better about almost anyone. Kubiak was a good offensive coordinator, but he was not a good head coach at all.
     
  12. ArlingtonTexan

    ArlingtonTexan Moderator Staff Member

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    meh...just another Case keenum excuse article/thread. Would have interested if some new info on O'Brien's schemes instead revisiting Case's already over discussed half as an NFL starter.
     
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    All three of those excuses you listed can be claimed by Schaub as well (to an extent). Keenum was not the only one who was limited by Kubiak (if there is indeed truth to that), behind a O-line who's right side was a joke, or whose opponents didn't game-plan for or scout.

    In the same way Keenum declined, Schaub declined, albeit by a much larger margin. Contrary to what some posters would believe, Schaub used to be a top 15 QB in this league and somehow declined this season to one of the WORST. Add in another excuse of injury, Schaub has more reasons to decline than Keenum.

    Yet, it seems the opinion of this board that Schaub's decline is not only all on Schaub, but permanent, while Keenum's is reversible and mostly Kubiak's, the defenses, the O-lines, and even Schaub's fault.

    All that said, goodbye Schaub, welcome to the new QB of the Texans, it's a breath of fresh air we all need.
     
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  14. Marshall

    Marshall Not pretty, but ALIVE!

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    You seem to be more concerned that we have members of the team who can't control themselves than in getting better as a team. I wonder why? Do you subscribe to the theory that every team needs bad guys to win?
     
  15. CloakNNNdagger

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    I believe that when assessing the 2 QBs' performances last season, many here tend to somehow overlook the fact that in the 1st 6 games that Schaub played to so poorly in, Foster (along with Tate) afforded him a GREAT RUNNING GAME. By the time Keenum was allowed to start, not only did he play with a shoddy OL with virtually no pass protection and pathetic D to go with it.........but Foster had "left the building" for good (and Tate was tattered)........and there was absolutely NOTHING LEFT OF THE RUNNING GAME.
     
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    Sorry, correct me if I'm wrong (completely possible), but this shoddy OL you're referencing that Keenum suffered behind...where there any changes to this OL from the first half of the season where Schaub was in?

    You're likely correct on the running game, my perspective that the running game stunk all season is probably skewed by the rest of the season.
     
  17. Allstar

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    He was saying that Schaub and Keenum were both set up to fail, but the only difference was the lack if run game. Both played with bad OL and defense.
     
  18. infantrycak

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    The two went in opposite directions. The OL improved IMO: DB played significantly better in the back half than the beginning of the season and Brooks steadily improved as the season progressed.
     
  19. steelbtexan

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    I want the BEST players on the team.

    I'm not concerned with what they do in their personal lives as long as the team wins. (Exclude Aaron Hernandez)
     
  20. ObsiWan

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    I was lied to. The thread title implies that herein lies some insight into what our new coaching staff will implement.

    The posted article is just more b!tching about what was wrong with the previous coaching staff.

    Not a single word on what is to come from O'Brien & company which is what this title
    Our New Schemes on Both Sides of the Ball Will Promote Adaptability
    implies will be here.

    False advertising I tells ya!
    :pissed:
     
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