Ouch - Release the Pummeling

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  1. Dime

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    The good news.... We made the Front Story on NFL.com. The bad news... ummm read it.. you can see for yourself.

    Here is the link

    Gluttons for Punishment
    Despite a busy schedule that included pistol-whipping his girlfriend's neighbor and committing arson, Goodfellas mobster Henry Hill managed to find time to wax philosophical. An adult Hill rationalizes a childhood beating dealt from his father when he calmly states: "The way I saw it, everybody has to take a beating sometime."

    Given the scrutiny of the background checks NFL teams perform on potential draftees, the Texans can rest assured that David Carr has never been a member of the mafia. He does however share something in common with Hill -- the Houston QB took more than his share of hits during his formative years in the league. Carr has been the Texans' starter ever since being selected with the first overall pick in the 2002 draft and has had the misfortune of playing behind a lackluster offensive line. Despite being sacked a league-high 49 times last year, Houston's franchise quarterback saw the light at the end of the pile of 300-pound men pinning him to the turf. In 2004, Carr made significant strides when he posted career highs in completion percentage, yards, touchdowns and passer rating.

    If they can keep their signal-caller healthy, the Texans, who have increased their win total each of the last three seasons, may find themselves in the playoff mix. Offensively, there is a young, solid nucleus developing. Carr's main target, Andre Johnson, made the Pro Bowl in just his second season last year and Houston signed running back Domanick Davis, who ranked third in the AFC in total yards, to a contract extension. With an emerging, aggressive defense led by 2004 first-round picks cornerback Dunta Robinson and linebacker Jason Babin, the Texans might do more of the sacking and less of the being sacked this year.


    Most times sacked (2002-04)
    Quarterback Times sacked
    David Carr* 140
    Drew Bledsoe 140
    Daunte Culpepper 130
    Aaron Brooks 111
    *Sacked NFL-record 76 times in 2002

    It has everything... it beats you down.. shows you the past.. gives you hope.. then slams you again.. Got to love writers.
     
  2. Lucky

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    Didn't really say anything that hasn't been said before. Old news to me.
     
  3. Fiddy

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    Culpepper has been sacked almost as much as Carr and Culpepper's line is pretty darn good...
     
  4. Malloy

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    yeah, that Culpepper info made me wonder... So our O-line is only slightly worse than the Vikings ? :)
     
  5. Diehardtexan

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    49 sack a league high. but Vick and culpepper wer sacked 46 each, that's not much different.
     
  6. Lucky

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    Over the past 3 seasons, Carr has 1205 pass attempts, Culpepper has 1551. How many more sacks would Carr have with that many passing attempts? About 40 more?
     
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    infantrycak Semi-grand Poobah Staff Member

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    What is truly astounding is Atlanta. Vick, the most elusive QB ever, was sacked 46 times on just 321 attempts or 1 of 7 times he dropped back. Carr was sacked 1 of 9.5 attempts.
     
  8. ArlingtonTexan

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    I have went to the mobility and athleticism does not equal pocket awareness and/or avoiding sacks card before. I need to mark this for my next David Carr is a starting quality Qb, but not the 2nd coming rant.

    Seriously, the Falcons OL has been good run blockers, but pretty poor pass protectors and the Vikings overrated. Bledsoe has below average pocket awareness, holds the ball too long, and is not mobile. He will get dropped at 40 times again this year.
     
  9. TexansTrueFan

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    didnt sound to bad to me, it said we may be in the play-off mix this coming year. You acted like they were totally hating on us or something !
     
  10. LBC_Justin

    LBC_Justin All Pro

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    Highly mobile QB's tend to hold on to the ball too long.
    That is why you see Vick, Culpepper, and Brooks on that list.
    Carr just has bad protection.
     
  11. rittenhouserobz

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    The major difference between Culpepper and Carr is this. When Culpepper is sacked it hurts the other guy. :ok:
     
  12. Malloy

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    yeah, that Culpepper info made me wonder... So our O-line is only slightly worse than the Vikings ?

    Highly mobile QB's tend to hold on to the ball too long.
    That is why you see Vick, Culpepper, and Brooks on that list.
    Carr just has bad protection.


    It was just wishful thinking really, I agree with your assessement that the reason for the high amount of sacks are due to the "mobility of qb's" :)
     
  13. GP

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    We beat the Dolphins two years ago by using three-step drops and Carr getting rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds. So, it is possible to face a strong, blitzing defense and walk away with a win.

    We can gripe about the line all day long, but I think they are getting ripped more than they should. Are they generally giving up too much ground to rushers through the interior part of the line? Yes, and that's on THEIR shoulders, and they've got to stop that stuff.

    But here's some things the TEAM can do to help the offensive line get back to a point where they feel confident in their abilities instead of hearing from the fans and the media how horrible they are:

    1. Stop the predictability of our offensive coordinator. Last year, everyone of us fans (and our opponents, too) knew what we were going to do in certain situations. More and more, the NFL is turning into a pass-first and then establish the run type of league. The Patriots have been doing this for the past 3-4 seasons. Seems to have worked out pretty well for them.

    2. Utilize the TE more. The games where Carr found the TE on a regular basis translated into the opponent's defense beginning to un-glue themselves from the pass rush (in order to cover the TE), as well as not being able to key on AJ or DD. It just makes sense.

    3. Put more three-step-drop passing plays (quick slants) into the mix. Bradford, Gaffney and AJ all broke some pretty nice plays off of quick slants.

    4. Avoid penalties (usually the o-line's fault) such as false starts that cost us yardage and pin us back deep into our own end of the field, causing us to punt and give up better field position to the opponent's offense.

    5. Avoid fumbles and interceptions. We'd have won those games against Sd and Detroit last year if we hadn't fumbled the ball several times. DD has gottne his handle back, and it showed in the latter parts of the season.

    I, for one, am tired of seeing this team get ragged on about all the sacks, and blah-blah-blah. Yes, it happened. But we can't beat our o-line up every year by this "oh, poor us...we have a bad o-line" diatribe. There's some REAL things this team can be dedicated to in order to minimize the o-line's weaknesses and thus, maybe (MAYBE) encourage them to the point that they begin to believe in themselves again--You tell anybody on the face of the earth that they are "horrible" (long enough) and they'll begin to believe it. Those guys have heard for this entire team's existence that they suck. Got to be kinda' hard to overcome that at some point if that's all you hear outside voices saying.

    All of those things I listed (above) are things that any team HAS to do early on in the game in order to establish the overall gameplan. If we don't do those things early on in the first quarter of every game, we get put right back into the same position as every other game we've lost: Pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass.

    Well, "gee," no wonder we get blitzed every play from about the second quarter on. And there is not one team that can stand up all game long against a constant pass rush.

    That's my opinion.
     
  14. Runner

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    Nice post.
     
  15. MightyTExan

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    Someone help me here. I can't find any of his college stats online. I thought I remember seeing that Carr threw for 40 TD's in a season at college?
     
  16. infantrycak

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    From Carr's profile on the main page:

     
  17. William.carter

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    Maybe i'm wrong, but if a QB is outside the tackle box it is a tackle for a loss, not a sack, right? so if that holds true, the high mobility QB argument doesn't fly. Not calling anyone specific out. I'm just trying to make sure my understanding is correct.
     
  18. infantrycak

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    It is a sack if the QB is tackled or runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. I am not sure about the assertion though that mobile QB's hold onto the ball too long compared to less mobile QB's generally.
     
  19. William.carter

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    Ok thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure.

    :texflag:
     

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