options in the defensive backfield

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  1. rickyb

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    It's amazing what a couple of key FA moves will do for an organization. Consider our defensive backfield, and the addition of Joseph and Manning.

    The Struggles of KJ, Volume/Year 1, are well documented and understood. There is nothing to say that Year 2 will be second verse, same as the first. However, in the event that KJ is unable to assert his right to the CB2 position, the Texans now have option of starting JJ and GQ at CB, and use Manning and Nolen/Keo at safeties. KJ could be the nickel corner and polish his skills.

    I am a believer that KJ can succeed. I have seen this too often in real life: talent is pressed into a situation too fast and without the necessary support, only to falter. As best I can infer, KJ is a young man not without confidence, and this does not appear shaken. Let him come into camp with something to prove, and let the Texans put some coaches in front of him who actually know what they are doing. Come to think of it, with KJ having come from a Saban organization, I can see where last year's coaching cast might have left him scratching his head and struggling to find his bearings at the speed-of-the-NFL.

    The good news is that now, the Texans have options.

    And remember --- Meco and Cush are reunited. Barwin is returning. And Mario will be a stand-up rush backer in a contract year, salivating for sacks to parlay into his first post-rookie contract. Sprinkle in Watt, Mitchell, and Antonio. Add in a returning offensive powerhouse.

    Houston, we have lots of reasons to be optimistic. Cautiously, or otherwise.

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  2. mussop

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    There is still a lot of questions to be answered on this defense.
     
  3. The Pencil Neck

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    The second corner becomes a hotly contested position: KJ, Jason Allen, Brandon Harris, Roc Carmichael.

    And like you said, if those guys can't cut the mustard, GQ can slide back into the #2 position and either Nolan or Keo can move into the other safety position.

    We've got options now.

    I'd still like to sign another CB FA but I'd prefer to direct that money to ILB or NT.
     
  4. DX-TEX

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    I wouldnt count out Harris yet. Guy has been working out the past couple years with AJ at the U. Aj is not d backs coach but if anyone can show a young CB how the best WR plays it would give him a leg up.
     
  5. cland

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    2nd corner should be an open competition, with Glover Quinn as an emergency fallback. If for no other reason, than you want that CB thinking he's got to bring it every day to keep his position. I have a hard time thinking that between Jackson, Allen, Harris, etc. that someone won't break out from the pack.
     
  6. DX-TEX

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    Put James Casey back there.
     
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    I remember KJ making an amazing play on the ball batting it down later on in the year(can't remember the game) only to have it negated by a terrible PI call. That showed me right there he does have some ability, hopefully if he does play Wade can get him in the best opportunity to succeed.
     


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    He's gonna be too busy playing FB, HB and punter. I hear they're trying to clone him so he can punt and LS at the same time. :fans:
     
  10. 76Texan

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    I've watched 4 Bengals game so far (early in the season: Pats, Ravens, Panthers, and Browns), and I saw a pretty good corner in JJ.

    Stiil, he was beaten for a TD on an outside realease (where the CB is on his own). The sadety was occupied by another route.
    It was a 31-yd pass to Mason (which could have been a little longer TD if the Ravens had been in a different field position and depending on how soon he can catch up to the receiver, probably within 5-10 yards.)

    In another game, he was beaten for a short-medium catch that could have gone long for a TD but was saved by a LB (Maualuga, I think) who reacted extremely well to the play.
    It was on another outside release by the receiver and the safety was occpupied by another route if I remember correctly.
    The receiver cut back inside after the catch to get past JJ, I think.

    He was saved by a LB on another catch (short-medium) who happened to be nearby due to coverage call. I can't recall where the safety was (it was late last night when I watched the last two games.)

    So don't get your hope up too high if you want a CB who can "man-up" all by himself.
     
  11. Rey

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    So basically j Jo suck, Kareem good.

    Just messin with ya.
     
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    You got it all wrong. The safeties sucked...get with the program, Rey....:fingergun:
     
  13. Rey

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    I was just messin with 76 but really, I dont know how you can explain away kareem's mistakes and make j Jo sound like suck.
     
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    I know. I was just messin with you. LOL
     
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    Rey, you're too set in your way, I know better than to try to change your mind.
    At the same time, you have yet to show me why Jackson sucked.
    If it's so easy to prove, why can't anybody show me a bunch of terrible plays?
    I'm really perplexed! :specnatz:


    Just to clarify things, JJ was on an island in all those 3 situations.
    He cannot expect safety help as they were multiple-receiver patterns, and his receiver had an outside release.


    On a different note, Manning still looks pretty good against the Panthers (by that I mean, he looks like a big upgrade over Wilson/Pollard/Nolan).

    He played well.

    He did slip on a play as the receiver (Lafell) got past him up the middle (in cover 2 with no jamming from the CB) on a post route.
    The QB Clausen left the ball a little short and Manning was able to recover and nearly had an interception (both hands on the ball, but it was just high, and on an angle.)

    Toward the end of the game, there was a hail-mary pass and Manning came right over and was in great position to help, but there wasn't any need as the CB intercepted the ball (instead of batting it down.)
    So I guess the Bears taught them differently than Bush & Co. :kitten:
     
  16. Rey

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    You've seen the plays where Jackson sucked but you choose to blame it on someone else.

    Whatever. Like I said I was just messin with you.

    I think Jackson sucked last year, you think he played ok. We can agree to disagree on that.

    As far as comparing Joseph to Kareem there is no comparison. Just find it funny that you can find all those bad plays from Joseph so fast and have yet to find a bad play for Kareem.

    Talk about perplexing.
     
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    Once again, you kept mixing things up.
    I've been checking out Joseph and Manning.
    In no way do I compare JJ with Jackson.
    All I'm saying is that a CB on an island is bad enough (in situations where he cannot expect safety help). Imagine what it's like when the "expected" help wasn't there!

    On the other hand, it's not my problem to find bad plays from Jackson.
    It's for EU and Lucky, etc. but they haven't found much!
    You can't give me a reasonable reason that he sucked in those plays, how can I agree to it?
     
  18. Rey

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    here is a scouting report from a bengals fan on Joseph: probably explains why you couldn't find the safety on one play:

    http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/6/28/2249082/bengals-scouting-report-johnathan-joseph
     
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    It looks like the Bengals used the pattern matching concept.
    I haven't looked closely enough to be sure.
    They probably mixed in some zone as well (like Wade's defense) even though I'm not quite sure either. I haven't looked closely enough.

    Like in this one play I just saw against the Bucs; it could be cover 2 man-under or it could be cover 4.
    JJ looks just like Jackson, LOL!
    (I might have to post the screen shots.)

    The Bengals started with a cover 2 look against a standard offset-I by the Bucs.
    The receiver lined up just outside the numbers; JJ was about 7 yards off the LOS and backpedaling.
    The receiver ran straight toward JJ, then put on a double move (faking the corner route), turned inside and caught the ball near the hashmarks.
    JJ slipped and "fell down" (LOL!).
    The receiver took a few steps then went down after he made a cut on the safety (right shoulder hit the ground - he had the ball in both hands); they called it a fumble (what the heck???)

    If it was man-under, then the catch was on JJ; both he and the safety sucked.
    If it was cover 4 then JJ looked very bad (because he "fell down"), but the catch should be charged to the safety.
     

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