OK lets look at our team needs

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  1. LBC_Justin

    LBC_Justin All Pro

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    OK here are my observations. I watched every game this season but I am by no means an expert. This what I have seen, read and hear about our team.

    Feel free to add.


    Offense


    QB
    Carr has been evaluated by numerous scouts, consultants, and "league personel experts" and they all say if he gets protection he is the guy. Tremdous arm strength and one of the most mobile QBs in the nfl. No one really knows what he will be able to do until he gets consistent protection.
    Back up - Banks and Ragone are decent but don't push Carr for the starting job. Our QB situation is not pressing, the smart play is to see what impact the a shake up on the O-line and new coaching has on QB play.

    RB
    DD is about average for a starting back in the NFL. Morecy is serviceable
    Wells is a big back, that can block and fill a role as FB too. Hollings should be cut this offseason. We have No real play makers &no home run hitters. We need one.

    FB
    Norris is nothing special, but is servicable

    WR
    Andre is a stud, Mathis has the talent needs the reps, Derick Armstrong has potential, Gaffney needs to bring his game to the next level and step up and become the #2 reciever we have been hoping he would become. Corey Bradford - I can't recall how many times I swore at my TV and begged for this guy to be cut. WE need a #2 passing threat to compliment AJ.

    TE
    Bennie Joppru....he is like Kaiser Soze. No one is sure if this guy really even exists. My dream is that he becomes the come back player of the year in 06, but I am not counting on it. Murphy, Rivers & Bruener don't exactly strike fear into any defenses. (WE need a tight-end that can catch passes over the middle and can block.)

    O-line
    Word on the street is some people are happy with Chester Pitts at Left Tackle. (I don't know enough to know how true that is.)
    Right Tackle...We need to upgrade.
    Guards....We need to upgrade.
    Center....We need to upgrade. How is Hodgdon?
    If I have learned anything from being an Oilers fan in the early 90's it is that an O-line can take you a long way. Ask the Steelers.
    Bottom-line is our pass protection needs to be addressed. I think the combination of new coaching and new talent can turn this around.


    Defense


    D-line:
    Not getting enough push, not occupying enough blockers. Not putting enough pressure on the QB. We need to upgrade. We need a pass rusher in the worst way.

    LineBackers
    At best we have a crew of below-average Linebackers. Props to Babin for finishing strong. Peek is emotional but does't play smart. Greenwood is overpaid. Wong is missing. Orr...interesting. We need some serious upgrades, right now we have no playmakers and no standout passrusher.


    Secondary
    D-rob is great, P-buc is better than most people think(not saying much) and wasn't horrible in the second half of the season. Coleman is done. We have a couple of young guys with some talent. CC Brown had a decent rookie year. (Our front SEVEN does such a poor job of pressuring the QB these guys look worse than the are.) We could use upgrading but I think other areas need more help.


    Kicker
    Kris Brown.
    Not the most clutch guy in the world but he is fine (we could do worse).

    Punter:
    No clue.

    Kick/Punt return:
    Mathis.......total Stud.
    Morency......average.

    OK so we need a lot of help. But I think coaching alone should have a pretty big impact on this team. This group of guys big time UNDERACHIEVED in 2005. Expect them to show remarkable improvement next year.


    This offseason I think we need help in the following areas the most.

    #1 Better pass protection. I don't care where they come from or what postion they play, we need new guys to make an impact. (Our first pick should not be used on this. We can address it in the second or third rounds.)

    #2 Offensive Playmaker.

    #3 Defensive pass rusher. Linebacker that can drop into coverage or can go after the QB. D-lineman that can get to the QB or require double coverage by the opposing team's O-line. (Player(s) that will vastly improve our front seven.)

    #4 Tight End or #2 reciever. A great tightend would be the best, one that can improve pass protection or be a reliable #2 reciever.
     
  2. Grid

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    I would add that we need a back as talented as DD to share carries with him. DD cant handle the workload himself..and using Wells or Morency to share carries would weaken our running game. They are good backups..not starters.


    This isnt necessarily a need at this point. Upon evaluation of our talent we will probably find that Gaffney or Armstrong or Mathis is a good #2. Either way.. i find it hard to beleive that one of them cannot grow into the #2 spot.. especially Mathis or Gaffney. I blame the majority of our receiving problems on our coaching staff and their unwillingness to experiment with and try out our younger players. Not to mention our poor pass blocking.

    A team can play just fine without a playmaker at TE. This position needs evaluation and new schemes to fully utilize what we already have. The new coaching staff will either fix this problem, or show that it is a need. Too early to tell.

    I agree that new coaching will be the biggest indicator here. As far as needs goes.. RT we need an upgrade, but we also need to look at Wand at this position. He may be the answer. We need one more guard for sure.. but Wiegert or McKinney can probably hold down the other spot..Wiegert especially. Center.. getting an established player at center would be nice... but Hodgdon looked good and may be our future there. Id say an FA center would be a good move, but not at the top of our needs. Pitts can hold down the LT spot... or the RT spot if we get someone who can take LT from him. He is a better tackle than guard.


    This will depend alot on whether or not we switch to a 4-3. Assuming we stay at the 3-4.. we are "ok" here for the next season. Grabbing someone like Gabe Watson in the 3rd would not be a bad move.. we need to start adding some youth to the line. Eventually..within the next couple of seasons..we need to acquire a young and talented DT either through FA or the Draft that can replace Payne. Pass rush isnt necessarily the Dlines job... they need to stop the run and collapse the pocket. This is a high priority position for us.. but may not be possible to fully address this offseason.


    Our linebackers are underappreciated. We have more talent here than most people realize. There is alot of athleticism and energy in our LBs, but they were poorly used by our former DC. A new coaching staff will show whether or not this is a need for us.. I am of the opinion that we are going to be pleasantly surprised by the pass rush capabilities of our LBs under a new staff.

    Id rate this need above our LBs, below our Oline and Dline.. basicly our third greatest need. This is one area of the defense that we cannot afford to skimp on in our division. Robinson is a lock for years to come.. Brown and Earl are plenty at SS. We have plenty of depth at CB and SS/FS.. what we lack is an obvious starter at FS and #2 CB. At least one of these needs to be addressed this offseason. Id say the jury is still out on Buchanan...but he does NOT have much time left before he is limited to nickle and dime packages for the rest of his career.

    These guys have been solid for us for a long time.. but have slipped badly the last season. Id give them another season to get back on track before I look to replace.

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    Total agreement here.

    id list this as a need..but at the bottom of the needs pile. But you wont find a better time to address it than with the #1 pick and Reggie Bush.

    Id list the Dline here.. LBs are a less immediate need until we can see them with a better staff.

    Wouldnt even list this as a need yet. Time will tell on this one. Id put the secondary here.

    So my needs are:

    1) Oline
    2) Dline
    3) Secondary
    4) Linebacker
    5) Offensive Playmaker
    6) TE/Receiver
     
  3. LBC_Justin

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    Can't argue with that. Games are won and lost in the trenches and that is where we need the most help.
     
  4. Spoda

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    addressing needs is stupid..don't you know there is a QB from houston there for us to draft...he will fix the defense with his leadership we have been told about...




    trade the pick
     
  5. Grid

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    Boy you are predictable Spoda. every post is useless and laced with sarcasm.

    I can see why you are so adamant about trading the pick though.. the best talents are available in the middle and end of the first, that is why they are available so late.. because the first 10-15 teams are required to take players that are useless and overpaid.. no game changing player has ever been drafted early in the first. Besides, a few more picks on the first day is the only thing keeping us from the playoffs.. look at our picks in the past.. all of our superstar players came in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.. and we have never drafted a quality player before #20. With another 2nd and 3rd rounder.. that would give us 5 career probowlers in one draft. Plus.. we would save more money by signing all of those first day picks than signing the #1 pick.. ask aj.



    keep the pick
     
  6. whiskeyrbl

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    Again i will say i am no expert but heres what i would do.First and foremost for the defense is switch to a 4-3.
    LDE- A.Peek RDE- J.Babin
    LDT- T.Johnson RDT- R.Smith NT-S.Payne
    LOLB-S.Orr MLB-M.Greenwood ROLB- K. Wong
    LCB-D. Faggins RCB- D.Robinson
    SS- G.Earl FS- C.C. Brown

    offense
    Revamp OL through free agency and draft & Trade market( we have 4 picks in the first 66)
    Qb- D Carr (shop for quality backup)
    RB- #1 pick R. Bush (trade DD,resign J.Wells)Shop Morency
    WR- A. Johnson,J.Gaffney,D.Armstrong(J.Mathis,R.Bush)shop Bradford
    TE-Draft D.Thomas U.of Tx(Trade Bruener)
    special teams
    K- Draft Crosby ( Colorado University) shop K.Brown
    P-???????????
    KR-Mathis & Bush
    Pr- Buchanon
    Give feedback:trophy:
     
  7. Kaiser Toro

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    Whoop, there it is. Boom shaka laka. The problem is that everyone knows it, but will our front office be up to the task.
     
  8. Spoda

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    you misunderstand my sarchasm..i don't want to trade out of the top 6...i am just sick of all the VY threads...in my opinion that would be the worst thing to do is draft the saviour...while having him cure cancer while in a texans uniform sounds nice, i want us to win...i want mario williams /brick/hawk/ or jimmy williams...we have a qb..we have spent a 4th rd pick or higher 4 years in a row on HB's..if we don't trade down i am in the bush camp because he can help ...but if we draft vince i will be in section 112 every sunday leaning over to give him 5 before they run out of the giant inflatable helmet right in front of my seat blocking me from the cheerleaders...

    if it was VY VY VY VY VY VY VY VY VY VY VY from the beginning i could stomache it..but only a few of you here were hyping him before the rose bowl..it's just ridiculous

    trade the pick ..let's get some help on D or brick..that's all i'm saying...
     


  9. Kaiser Toro

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    I would love to cut DC, not draft VY and trade down. Man would that be nice.
     
  10. Grid

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    well ive stayed in the Bush camp personally but that doesnt really matter. And in defense of the VY supporters.. many of the most intelligent (if not most vocal) were VY supporters before the rose bowl, but didnt think he would be declaring... UT players never do.

    anyway.. we all want to win but its a question of what is best for the team in the long run. Trading down and drafting a bunch of players for need sounds like a good idea.. but draft picks dont always work out.. actually alot of the time they dont. A GM who is 50/50 in the draft is doing alright. When you have the chance to take an "almost sure thing".. you dont pass on it.. not when the prospect shows great talent and could possibly make a huge difference on whatever team gets him. Is Bush our greatest need? no.. but he isnt someone we definatly DONT need..and he could make a huge difference in our offense if he pans out like everyone expects him to.

    As for Dbrick.. he isnt really that good of a fit in the Denver Oline. We would be better off with someone like Daryn Colledge..who will most likely be available at #33. he is a technically sound, but undersized tackle. Even so.. a tackle isnt our most immediate need on the Oline.. we need guards.. interior linemen.. and the best ones will be drafted in the 2nd and 3rd. DESPITE that.. the Denver offensive line..which has been so successful and which we will more than likely be mimicking.. only has ONE starting lineman that was taken above the 4th round.. and their LT is an undrafted tight end.

    As for defense.. id love to get a CB in the first as well.. Buchanan could be a soar spot for us next season if he doesnt either get his act together, or get replaced by a free agent. But given the choice between one of the most promising College prospects in years.. or a #2 CB.. ill take the potential hall of famer.

    Dont get me wrong.. I see the benefit of trading down.. there are alot of players that will be available between 10-32 that I would not mind seeing on this team.. and I wouldnt mind getting my hands on one or two more players in the 2nd and 3rd... so I wouldnt be against a trade down.. I just dont think that trading down is a foregone conclusion...and I think getting Bush could be just as good, if not better for us.
     
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    Another good take this morning Grid. Specifically on Dbrick.
     
  12. Spoda

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    and i see the benefit in drafting bush..like i said if we keep the pick i'm in the bush camp...i just pray that one of those tackles slips to the second..then i pray harder that a TE slips to the 3rd....but by then all the defensive help will be gone..so we go with our young guys and pray it WAS the coaching...the only thing i am against is drafting vince...unless carr is gone somehow which doesn't look likely



    trade the pick
     
  13. cadahnic

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    Ok dude I think you went a little off on what is going on, you have a bit of a madden mentality when it comes to our team and shopping players.
    I will stay with your switch to a 4-3 and go from there. First, sign Lecharles Bentley, Teyo Johnson, Will Demps or Sam Brandon(I think CC could handle FS but competition does not hurt) and a young MLB in FA. Teyo and MLB will be pretty cheap due to their tenure. Bentley about 5-6yrs 25M. Next trade the first pick to the NY Jets for a 1st, 2nd, 4th, and next years 1st 3rd. AJ wrote on the trading of picks and cap situation of multiple high round picks, but in his evaluation of said situation I think he assumed we would pick more than 8 guys this year. Philly had 11 picks last year and like we will due is use most for trade value. Next with the Jets pick we take Mario Williams DE NC State. We now have an two seconds, thirds, and 4ths. Simply put we package the extra picks similar to the Babin pick for Denver's 22nd pick and take Eric Winston, Jon Scott, Winston Justice, or another high end OT. With the rest of the picks we address needs of the team which are OL(interior =1G,1 later ound all-purposeOL Callahan comes to mind), DL (3 or 4th round DT or DE BPA), CB/FS tweener (Jonathan Joseph USCarolina is a nice CB), O-Playmaker WR/Puntreturner, Athletic LB (Rocky McIntosh). Sorry TE does not make my list of immediate needs.
     
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    LDE Babin Peek Situational
    RDE Mario Williams
    1gap DT T. Johnson, Robaire Smith
    2gap DT S. Payne, G. Walker
    ILB K. Wong, Rocky McIntosh as backup
    WOLB M. Greenwood
    SOLB S. Orr
    CB D. Robinson, Faggins nickel
    CB P. Buchanon, J. Joseph dime until he takes the starting spot
    FS W. Demps, S. Brandon, or CC Brown
    SS G. Earl, late round addition D. Slay

    LT Chester Pitts
    LG Restructured McKinney, F. Weary, rookie
    C L. Bentley, Hodgon
    RG Weigert, Washington, Rookie
    RT Rookie, Wade, Wand
    QB D. Carr, Ragone and Rookie as backups
    RB D. Davis- Morency and Wells
    FB M. Norris- Wells sub
    TE T. Johnson, M. Rivers, or B. Joppru whichever takes the spot
    WR A. Johnson- Mathis slot
    WR resigned J. Gaffney (our TJ Houshmanzadeh), Armstrong, fast Rookie
     
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    No disrespect, but the Texans marketing department better slap some lipstick/cologne on that pig because my toes are not tapping due to that lineup.
     
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    Kaiser what are your arguments with said squad. I think it is the best possible mix we could make without overspending and some phenominal draft. I have read in Morknolle's post with the trade down option picking up J. Abraham in the deal which would make Babin a SOLB or MLB and Peek would stay as situational. Give me your feedback on your situations with the lineup.
     
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    Simply a case of potential output vs similar look to last year's team. I think that squad performs incrementally better, but it will be a tough sell for the Texan's to get their fans charged up.

    I like Bentley and think he should be our focus in FA. Williams I have not seen enough of, but the people around here that are pitching him seem to share my same tastes.
     
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    ok so your stance is from a sell standpoint. the thought that not enough was done in order for a true turnaround. I can see that, but in all honesty without alot of cuts and FA signings I dont see how we would be that much different from last year. I agree it will be a sell, but with Kubes coming in the spin is already on.
     
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    Just imagine if you improve the offensive line, How can our run game not get an instant boost. He's broken runs for 50 yards many times in the past, If you can get him to mid field, he just might hit that homerun. This RB statement just reeks of bias, and negates the whole post IMO.

    There is one player in the Draft that could help us out with your #1, #2, and #4 recommendations. Yep, Vince young.
    If he can move out of the pocket, and make plays out there on the wing, Your line doesn't have to guard for 5 seconds, Your recievers get more time to get open(meaning a number four on any other team will look like a number two), and well you'll have a bunch of offensive playmakers, because he's going to need to be spied, and accounted for. Defense won't have the numbers advantage theyenjoy today.
     

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