Discussion in 'The National Football League' started by Wolf, Aug 24, 2010.
I heard the following comment made earlier today in regard to Sammy Sosa, and I think it applies here:
"There are two things you never do in sports - give yourself a nickname, and ask someone to retire your jersey".
I would tend to agree with the viewpoint.
True dat' Bad move on Givins part but he might just have played for the one franchise that you could pull that off with. The former Oilers are a tacky mish-mash of the past and the present. It's like their collective "house" if you will was decorated by a little old lady with no taste and an overdeveloped sense of nostalgia (that would be Bud). He likes to dwell on the past, talk about the Oilers, and honor former Oilers. Meanwhile the kids (Titans fans) stand around waiting for the old buzzard to die so they can throw all the knick-knacks and tawdry mementos out and move on.
I bet Givins could go have lunch with Bud and talk him into it.
There's no money in it for Bud to retire #81.
Warren Moon is in the HoF, so by extension, it made sense to capitalize on it from Bud's standpoint.
But with Givins, what's in it for Bud? Absofreakinglutely NOTHING.
I was trying to find a tactful way of saying just what both of you said. Obviously I couldn't have said it better myself otherwise I would've.
Hey Ernest, "that team" hasn't retired your jersey because they really don't know absolutely anything about you. Maybe they will not honor you but us fans in Houston have a special place in our heart just for you.
Side note: Got to give this to Bob. Maybe he can't retire any of the former Oilers' numbers but he does do his best to honor them.
I think anyone who was a fan of that team during that era would pull for dumb-Budt to show some heart for a change and retire #81.
I feel the same way about retiring jerseys as I do the HOF. It isnt the Hall of Good. Givins isnt getting his jersey retired because he doesnt deserve it.
Ernest you were a good player, but sorry, you werent that good.
I got to disagree with you there. Retiring jerseys have nothing to do with you be in the Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame is for the best the LEAGUE has ever seen. Retiring a jersey is for the best a FRANCHISE has ever seen. Theres a a difference. That being said, name me a WR who did more for that franchise, Oilers or Titans, than EG. That dude had a ton of TDs, yards and receptions for that team despite having to share the load with 3 other primary targets. EG was one of the reasons the Oilers were even on the map in the 90's. EG also pretty much played his whole career with Houston, except for his last year in Jville.
Lets see if we can name a few big names we've seen wear columbia blue and compare them to what EG did.
Ken Burroughs - I believe he too should have his # retired (don't know if it already is) but his numbers fail in comparison to EG.
Drew Hill - to me was the best of all the Fab Four but Givins broke his records. His career started for the LA Rams and ended in Atlanta.
Curtis Duncan - His numbers fail in comparison to EG
Haywood Jeffires - Again, numbers fail in comparison EG.
Derrick Mason - Is currently still playing but his numbers as a Titan fail in comparison to EG's. Plus I believe he would retire a Raven more than he would a Titan.
That's over 30 something years of football for a franchise and this dude's numbers have yet to be touched by anyone in that Franchise.
Like I said, Ernest Givins won't be honored by that Franchise because Tennessee is unaware of what kind of player he was over the course of his career.
I just said it was how I felt.
I know the difference. I just disagree.
I loved Givins. I wouldnt retire his jersey.
Thats just me....
I know but maybe I can help. LOL
Screw it..I say they should retire his jersey. He earned it.
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