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Yeah, say what you want about one certain player not making a difference, but the fact remains . . .
. . the offense hasn't been the same since Daniels got hurt. He was THAT important.
Yeah, say what you want about one certain player not making a difference, but the fact remains . . .
. . the offense hasn't been the same since Daniels got hurt. He was THAT important.
Yeah, say what you want about one certain player not making a difference, but the fact remains . . .
. . the offense hasn't been the same since Daniels got hurt. He was THAT important.
You just made Owen Daniels contract negotiation for him.
You just made Owen Daniels contract negotiation for him.
That's fine. Pay the man. Better than that POS Dunta, I know that much.
Wow marcus, I love your opinions but to say OD is the key to the team doesn't make sense. I agree we haven't won but OD is just a pass catching TE. This team isn't complete and didn't reach unreal expectations. We are what we are. I love OD but he isn't the missing link to the playoffs.Yeah, say what you want about one certain player not making a difference, but the fact remains . . .
. . the offense hasn't been the same since Daniels got hurt. He was THAT important.
I think the argument is being simplified. Does he make a difference?Yes. No doubt. Has it made such a difference that 0-4 is because of it? Not even close. The offense moved the ball many times yesterday. Walters has taken an OD like role and has gotten more involved. They just shot themselves in the foot. It has happened many games. Look at the first half vs the Colts. I see coaching and adjustments as more of the factor than just OD.
each team has 22 starting players. Hell the Colts lose 2 all pros and a couple more players and they manage to play at a high level. Losing one guy and trying to tie all your wins and losses around that guy is ridiculous. Hell the Oilers beat the Chargers in the playoffs without Earl Campbell and Dan Pastorini...those guys were pretty good. Losing one guy ain't gonna kill a team sport where you have 22 starting players in a team game.Coaching and adjustments were just as big a factor in the games when OD played, as when he wasn't. They haven't scored more than 20 points a game since OD went down. The matchup problem that OD gave the opposing defense cannot be overstated.
Even though we lost the last four games, they were all very close games. I say that if OD had played in those 4 games, and performed just as well in those four games like he did before he went down, there wouldn't be all this gargling on the 'pink soap'.
You just made Owen Daniels contract negotiation for him.
I think the argument is being simplified. Does he make a difference?Yes. No doubt. Has it made such a difference that 0-4 is because of it? Not even close. The offense moved the ball many times yesterday. Walters has taken an OD like role and has gotten more involved. They just shot themselves in the foot. It has happened many games. Look at the first half vs the Colts. I see coaching and adjustments as more of the factor than just OD.
each team has 22 starting players. Hell the Colts lose 2 all pros and a couple more players and they manage to play at a high level. Losing one guy and trying to tie all your wins and losses around that guy is ridiculous. Hell the Oilers beat the Chargers in the playoffs without Earl Campbell and Dan Pastorini...those guys were pretty good. Losing one guy ain't gonna kill a team sport where you have 22 starting players in a team game.
With Bob Sanders and Marlin Jackson out for the season, and Dwight Freeney missing the contest with an injury, the Colts' defense started no one drafted higher than the third round. Big plays were made by Colts defensive starters Gary Brackett, Daniel Muir, Melvin Bullitt and Jacob Lacey, all of whom were undrafted free agents. Pierre Garçon, out of Division III Mount Union, caught a touchdown pass. Chad Simpson, undrafted out of Division I-AA Morgan State, scored a touchdown, breaking three tackles when Houston players tried to strip the ball. Robert Mathis, a low draft pick out of Division I-AA Alabama A&M, not only stripped Matt Schaub of the ball to set up the game-icing touchdown, he did so while being held by the Moo Cows' offensive line. I don't know what's in the water in Indiana, but it seems to turn unknowns into football players.
I don't believe we've scored over 20 without him either.
You can easily say we haven't won without him but what you can't say is whether or not we would've won with him.
Coaching and adjustments were just as big a factor in the games when OD played, as when he wasn't. They haven't scored more than 20 points a game since OD went down. The matchup problem that OD gave the opposing defense cannot be overstated.
Even though we lost the last four games, they were all very close games. I say that if OD had played in those 4 games, and performed just as well in those four games like he did before he went down, there wouldn't be all this gargling on the 'pink soap'.
each team has 22 starting players. Hell the Colts lose 2 all pros and a couple more players and they manage to play at a high level. Losing one guy and trying to tie all your wins and losses around that guy is ridiculous. Hell the Oilers beat the Chargers in the playoffs without Earl Campbell and Dan Pastorini...those guys were pretty good. Losing one guy ain't gonna kill a team sport where you have 22 starting players in a team game.
Exactly. Tried to rep you but I could not. Instead it went to Frog.
I wonder if they'd run Chris Brown on 3rd and 3 inside the 10 if OD were in the lineup...
That is pretty much a rhetorical question after Kubes let him run it at the end when he fumbled it and then the game where he got stuffed twice and then let him try and pass it. I don't think there is anything that Brown could do at this point that would kill the confidence Kubes has in that guy.
we're avg. like 3 points less a game w/o him against stiffer comp.
Since 2005, the Colts are 4-4 when Dallas Clark does not play. Not saying losing OD is the whole reason why we have fallen.... but I certainly think its a huge blow to this team and didnt help one bit.
Owen Daniels is THE prime sled dog of the Houston Texans offense. If Schaub is the musher, then Daniels is the lead Malamute that keeps the freight moving through the difficult snow.
Sure, Andre is the flashy long range equalizer but having that safety valve tight end to keep the chains moving is nothing to sneeze at.
When the running game is non-existent, like Indy's, look how many times Manning gets it to Dallas Clark to keep the chains moving.
Even when a good running team like the Cowboys gets their rushing stuffed, like their most recent loss at the Giants, the tight end position becomes crucial. How many yards did Jason Witten get that day? Like over 150? If not for the special teams and defensive meltdowns, then that's a Cowboy victory.
I can't imagine the Colts being undefeated without Dallas Clark. When the Colts defense couldn't get off the field against the Dolphins earlier this year, didn't Peyton Manning use a great tight end to move the chains at crucial moments to the tune of 180 plus yards in victory?
So let us not underestimate the crucial import of Owen Daniels to the dynamics of the Texans offense. 5-3 with him, 1-4 without.
And it also helps that the Colts and Cowboys simply have a excellent defensive lines that excels which pressures the quarterback more so than the Texans.
The Texans are who we thought they were.
It just makes me laugh when the Texans hype machine comes around. This could be "the year" guys. But then reality sinks in and expectations become fighting for a wild card and another 8-8 season.
One last thing, Brandon Marshall > Andre Johnson. The NFL record books agree, I mean how many times has he played the Colts? 10-12. But leave it to Marshall to show how it should be done......
Witten has had very few big games this year and there are still wins to show. In fact his biggest games have been losses. Yes he is important but a TE isn't the end all, be all. The Colts played us with 3 of their top playmakers on D gone and no one above a 3rd round pick playing and they are undefeated.
Also, you can't say that the Cowboys have D meltdowns and then say the Cowboys D-line is always getting pressure, etc. The D-line hasn't gotten enough pressure in games and they aren't too good at forcing turnovers so far.
Anyways, OD is important but that is why you have a vet like Dreissen and why you drafted the Rice kid. The offense has still clicked plenty. Everyone deals with injuries.
Witten has had very few big games this year and there are still wins to show. In fact his biggest games have been losses. Yes he is important but a TE isn't the end all, be all. The Colts played us with 3 of their top playmakers on D gone and no one above a 3rd round pick playing and they are undefeated.
Anyways, OD is important but that is why you have a vet like Dreissen and why you drafted the Rice kid. The offense has still clicked plenty. Everyone deals with injuries.
imagine him in a Titans uniform........eeeeeeewwwww
Yep I'm sure right now there's a lot of Steelers fans saying No Polamalu = no winning season right now too.
Have you read their boards? Probably not, because a lot of them are saying that. The others are blaming their skid on Tomlin and even comparing him to Switzer.
Mike Tomlin = Barry Switzer?
On another note, it's nice to know that our fanbase isn't the only one that goes crazy, stupid, nuts.
Yup, I have several Steelers fans as friends. Funny how much the comments sound the same. Tomlin shows no passion on the sideline. He and the OC calling bad games. Parker goes down with a pinkie push. Big Ben is holding the ball too long and not showing good pocket presence, staring down receivers, etc.