NFL players experimenting with military grade EXO Skeleton CRT pads in their helmets,

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  1. Vinny

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    https://twitter.com/TexansTalk/status/296758648284258304

     
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    Cool, now they can go back to head-huntin'.
     
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    It doesn't matter how good the cushioning is. When a moving head comes to a sudden stop the brains momentum is still there and it still moves inside the skull.
     
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    I don't understand why they just don't inject a layer of memory foam into all the players skulls. Problem solved
     
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    Exactly, and this clanging of the brain inside the skull does not require any direct trauma to the head......just any deceleration event to any part of the body. The player can be hit at body level (without head contact) from the front, from the back or from the side and create much the same brain trauma.....especially as it repeatedly happens throughout each game at most positions........over periods of years. CTE can occur with no previous history of direct head trauma concussion. It can occur with repeated asymptomatic subconcussive hits.

    So then what is really needed to prevent concussions are seatbelts and airbags for our brains inside of our skulls. To further clarify what I've tried to explain, let's look at "shaken baby syndrome." Shaken baby syndrome is caused by shaking a screaming baby back and forth to make them stop crying. Even though their head never hits anything, the shaking leads to brain damage. Would wearing a baby helmet have helped? Of course not. So how can a helmet possibly eliminate concussions in football. It can’t. Any protective device that claims to prevent concussions in a contact sport is false advertising and may only serve to give athletes a false sense of security.
     
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    Unfortunately, military helmets are developed to try to minimize penetration by "missiles" and minimize concussive direct hits to the head.........to try to avoid death or acute intracranial life-threatening bleed.......from a singular or very limited number of events..............not recurring traumas over long periods of time. They are not meant to successfully protect the brain from automatic fire hits on a daily basis over periods of years.
     
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    when you get a chance to read the entire article you will find that it isn't a puff piece for the league (not saying that you are implying that). It's well written and takes a moment to read (five pages long) but addresses the concussion issue with all due cynicism.

     
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    Rep coming your way.

    When you originally posted this thread I could not get into the link, but shortly thereafter I came across the original article which was published in July of last year. I did indeed read it and very much enjoyed it in its entirety. I would recommend it to anyone interested in the subject. It is an excellent and HONEST analysis of a problem which in all likelihood will never be solved as long as football remains a contact sport.



    Armor on the Field: The NFL’s Headlong Race to Build the Unbreakable Linebacker
    By Sean Conboy
    07.09.12
     


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    Well, if the league weighs them down enough with all the extra padding, then they won't run as fast and concussions will go down!
     
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    There is enough money and focus on this issue that I think some type of break-through technologies are in the not-to-distant future.

    CloakNNNdagger mentioned brain airbags, maybe facetiously, but I think there will be some kind of genetic and/or other tech that comes along to "upgrade" players to reduce the effects of traumatic head impact.

    The NFL is trying a 'grassroots' effort right now to teach correct mechanics to little league players. But the head sloshing around in the skull will still be the same. The only way they can truly protect the brain will be something that is inside the skull, not outside of it.
     
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    What's the difference between medically enhancing surgery and medically enhancing drugs? It seems to me that by defination this would violate NFL rules. In any case it's not happening anyway because medical science is not even close to something like that. You're talking genetic engineering if you want to do it right.
     
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    While I agree with your overall point, I think they will justify medically enhancing surgery with safety.

    And I would not rule out genetic engineering at some point in the future. Us Star Trek fans see this kind of stuff as inevitable.
     
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    You don't need brain airbags, you just need to disarm players by taking away their ridiculously hard plastic shells that cover their heads. Nobody is going to run into a brickwall head first with hard foam helmets. The fact is, defensive players use their helmets as a weapon, like a battering ram, to inflict maximum damage on the other player. If you take that away, you will see guys adapt and use their shoulder or make heads-up tackles instead. It's extremely difficult to go head-hunting with your shoulderpads.
     
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    True in what you are saying about hard hits, but a lot of brain damage is being caused to linemen and running backs from the constant hits of normal and routine blocks and tackles.

    Like CloakNNNdagger mentioned up thread, the damage to the brain "does not require any direct trauma to the head......just any deceleration event to any part of the body."

    Hard hits can be reduced and eliminated and this brain damage problem will still exist.

     
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    I guess NFL players are only afraid of needles when it comes to blood testing.

    Nevertheless A surgical or genetic modification to "pad" the brain will not happen. The brain needs to be loose in the skull in order to accommodate the intermittent normal swelling that occurs regularly to a response to blood flow/pressure changes, salt/water changes, oxygen/carbon dioxide ratio changes, tissue inflammatory changes, minor head or brain traumas, and even altitude changes. If the brain does not have a totally "floating free space" (cerebral spinal fluid [CSF]) between it and the inner skull walls, pressure will be transmitted directly to the brain.........not causing permanent brain damage over a period of years, but rather over a period of minutes to hours, after which time the brain is just as likely to find its way floating in formaldehyde than in CSF.
     

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