NFL Off-season review

Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by Grid, Apr 4, 2005.

  1. Grid

    Grid Hall of Fame

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3510740
     
  2. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    He is coming to be the Buc. The buc is the strongside coverage LB. The playmaker is the Mac (Sharpers position).
     
  3. rittenhouserobz

    rittenhouserobz Hall of Fame

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    Is that writer the ultimate authority on personnel decisions? I would have to wonder. I don't care much for labels and the ideals that a sports writer has for a football player. Many writers seem to be wrong as much as they are right. How many of them were saying Drob is going to be one of the best defensive rookies last year?
     
  4. Htown34s

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    It seems the majority of sport writers are overcome with SportsCenter-itous, they overhype a few players and make them into stars then don't pay attention to important players who fit into the puzzle the coach is making.

    That type of reporting works for the NBA and in MLB to some degree, but football is a team sport above all.

    I'm fine with having more wins than flashy superstar players, just like New England.
     
  5. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    Seems as good a time as any to reread Ron Borges's (writer that covers the NFL for the Boston Globe) draft evaluation from April 23, 2001:

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    NEW ENGLAND - You hate to fail anybody who shows up for class but
    what are they doing? If you didn't know better, you'd think the Jets sent
    Bill Belichick north to destroy the Patriots from within. On a day when they
    could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the
    second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia
    defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1½ sacks last season in the
    pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play
    defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where
    they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and
    settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon unless last
    year's draftees Adrian Klemm and Greg Robinson-Randle are busts.

    http://lists.rollanet.org/pipermail/rampage/Week-of-Mon-20010423/003626.html
     
  6. El Tejano

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    And from what I hear, the Pats ended up getting David Terrell recently right?
     
  7. TheOgre

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    Vinny that quote is hilarious on so many levels:

    1. The obvious ->> 3 Super Bowls later

    2. David Terrell and Kenyatta Walker were busts, and Koren Robinson has been a disappointment. Richard Seymour is great.

    3. Adrian Klemm and Greg Randle-Robinson were busts. Matt Light is now the starting LT.

    Wow this guy has the magic touch!! I guess since he singled them out, Greenwood and Coakley are both going to the Pro Bowl soon.
     
  8. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    It was a different guy who did this fox sports profiles, but it illustrates how silly it is to dog a player (or a draft) until the players hit the field. Once you see the guys in their destined scheme/projected roles and they don't work out...Fire away.
     


  9. clandestin

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    Capers referring to Greenwood:
    I believe the 'split-side linebacker' is Sharper's old Mac position, so doesn't the quote seem to indicate he'll be starting there? I can definitely see an arguement for your point of view, given foreman's track record in coverage though.
     
  10. AndreJ

    AndreJ All Pro

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    I don't think that you can justify what were the worst free agent signings this offseason until you see how the players produce with their new team...Just my initial thought when i first read this.
     
  11. nunusguy

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    The Greenwood thing was pricey but I think its got real upside for the team and it's gonna be fun to watch that develope.
    One of the really bizare off season personell moves(or collection of moves as it were) was this parade of D lineman from Clevland to Denver. No less that 4 Downlinmen in a Browns uniform last season ended up in Denver. In case you didn't hear, Cleveland didn't do real well last year (though they looked alot better than us in the season final).
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/home.htm
     
  12. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    Yeah it would, but everything else tells me he would be best at the buc but he would know better than me. I had someone tell me he would be used like Capers used Sam Mills and that would be the weakside, so I guess it all points to that spot.
     
  13. scourge

    scourge Digression King

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    These two made me laugh as well...

     
  14. outofhnd

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    Sounds like those NFL commercials where the guys were discussing football 6 months before the season started.

    Steelers Picked Rosth sumthing.... yea Nice pick Cowher.
    Kellen Winslow is going to be an impact player in Cleveland this year.
    Who do I like in the West? 49ers...

    I like watching FA signings Ect they may not be stars, but it gives you an idea of what we are gearing ourselves towards.

    Signing Morlon Greenwood means we felt that our underneath Linebacker coverage wasn't good enough to keep Foreman, and Sharper apparantly wasnt making enough plays/not wanting to rework his contract to where the 2 sides could agree. We want to get faster at this position, so that was the type we signed.

    When they signed Stacey Mack it meant Wells wasnt productive enough and we like the Power running back and this is who we see being productive in that scheme.
     
  15. U4ikrob

    U4ikrob Guitar Junky

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    I like the idea of the staff keeping new blood in the mix and trying to find a group of LB's that can make a difference on the field.

    The parts I dont like is how the front office seems to keep signing guys every year whom most people in the league dont seem to think much of and trying to turn them into something more in our scheme.

    I could give examples of every year and our FA signings at LB - but the point is moot.

    The jury is out on Greenwood, babin, peek and the new mix of LB's until they get on the field and we can see what they do. Based on our history so far with doing this same thing, I think we might need to draft a few extra playmakers to add to the LB corp as our FA LB signings thus far have turned out pretty horrible.

    Anybody Remember the Charlie Clemmons deal and how well that worked out ? How about losing Foley for Foreman and getting Dashon Polk? Losing Jeff Posey for nada? - our track record hasnt exactly been stellar thus far with many FA signings and we seem to always loose our best LB's rather than gaining impact players for big dolalrs. So call me a little leary on this one for now. :listening
     
  16. Grid

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    Signing players no one cares about because we think they will shine in our system.. is exactly how you build a dynasty.

    You cannot build a long term championship caliber team by signing the best FAs every year. You will put yourself in salary cap hell and your playoff run will be akin to a bottle rocket. FOOOSH!!! POW!! *silence*

    People say we are overpaying.. and we are to a certain degree.. but we are still an expansion team and im sure players need a little extra incentive to come play for us..even so, we have been very smart with the way we structure our contracts and none of these supposedly "incredibly overpaid" players have hurt our salary cap yet.


    Good 3-4 LBs are not your typical NFL LB. Which is why its easy to assume that some "nobody" that we signed is just an overpaid waste of space. Fact of the matter is that an LB could suck in a 4-3.. but totally own in a 3-4. The systems work completely different. So dont look at every "nobody" signing as us scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    Id rather pay 20 million for 2 unknown players who could succeed or fail in our system.. than 30 million for one old vet who could succeed or fail in our system :P. We are signing people who have what we need.. instead of signing someone based on how well known they are.
     
  17. outofhnd

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    approach the offseason with this

    W.W.C.D

    What Would Casserly Do?
     
  18. michaelm

    michaelm vox nihili

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    Brian DeLucia, the writer quoted in the original post is one of the ourlads.com guys who, as a group, have been far less than impressive to me. I can't name any other instances with DeLucia specifically, but I believe that ourlads has been called out numerous times on these boards for laughable mocks and questionable analysis. He makes one point that, to me, nullifies his entire stance... and that is that the Texans are paying a lot of up front money. This is just not the case.
    We have discussed here several times that the contract is reasonable for the first few years and that the last year is very large, but not likely to be paid. If Greenwood fails to produce to the level of the back end of the contract, he will not be around to collect... if he plays well, but not that well, he will most likely be asked to renegotiate, or be released.
    Bottom line is, if I were in Vegas and had the opportunity to put my $ straight up between Cass and DeLucia, I will go with Cass every time and laugh in DeLucia's face all the way to the bank...!
     
  19. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    Historically Ourlads has put out one of the best pre-draft guides for NFL fans year-in-year-out. How do you call a mock laughable in March? Unless you can see the future all mocks are questionable and all will change right up to the real draft. I'm not rendering an opinion on this article, but they have a good track record despite what you or others think.
     
  20. Blake

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    One thing I like about ourlads is their top 64 board. I hate when I see both QB's 1 and 2. Followed by stud players. I know QB's have value and will be taken near the top, but that doesnt mean they are the best players.

    They are 18, and 22 in their top 64.
     

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