NFL Network Vs Time Warner

Discussion in 'The National Football League' started by axman40, Nov 26, 2007.

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Who do you blame

  1. NFL Network

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  2. Time Warner

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  3. Both

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  4. Who The Heck Cares

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  1. axman40

    axman40 Hall of Fame

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    Who do you blame for not getting a deal done?
    I will not be calling my Congressman on this , no matter how many times I hear Jerry Jones commercial. Would I call me Congressman because I cannot buy a Big Mac at Burger King?
     
  2. Double Barrel

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    I blame Time Warner. They suck and NFLN rules!! :shades:
     
  3. Brando

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    Ditto. The only thing Time Warner is good for is Road Runner High Speed.
     
  4. TheIronDuke

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    I have Comcast, am I going to be able to add NFLN? I thought Comcast and NFLN worked out a deal.
     
  5. Yankee_In_TX

    Yankee_In_TX Dance Lindsay!

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    I blame the NFL. Why not let it be part of a $4 sports package?

    Yes, Comcast has it. It is part of a $4 sports package. TW refuses to carry it unless it is for free.
     
  6. TheIronDuke

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    Doesn't everyone in Houston have Comcast now? Where is Time Warner providing service?

    I'm going to add NFLN right before the Broncos game.
     
  7. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    No. Comcast sued for the right to put NFLN on a sports tier. The court agreed. NFLN is appealing that and is trying to rip the NFLN off of Comcast again unless it is part of the basic package with Comcast absorbing the cost and/or passing it to all of their customers.

    So, if you are a Comcast customer currently receiving NFLN because you are paying for it, note that you might get that taken away.

    The cable companies have not banned NFLN. They want it.

    NFLN is choosing not to make itself available unless it is on their terms. They chose to not let their product be shown.

    This is not about giving the NFL to the masses. NFLN is ripping games away from a broader market--you know GB-Cowboys would have been a huge free game.

    MLB tried to get an exclusive deal with DirecTV but Congress wouldn't let that happen because of Red Sox fans who don't have DTV.

    NFL does have an exclusive deal with DTV, so they don't care if they hurt cable companies or consumers who can't use satellite.

    The NFL wants to create scarcity for their product so they can get more money. They do not care about consumers who can't get DirecTV for whatever reasons.

    The NFL is the bad guys. They are taking a product that used to be free and making it more exclusive and charging for it. They will continue to do more and more of that until someone stops them.
     
  8. TheIronDuke

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    This won my vote against the NFLN.

    Will I still be able to pay a few bucks more to watch the Broncos game at least? I used to be all about satellite but I got tired of having to worry about the weather to be able to watch the TV.
     


  9. Khari

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    nfl r greedy bastids........:woot2:

    most ppl won't watch this channel besides the nfl games it has on it every season......i never watch it any other time....:pirate:
     
  10. Hookem Horns

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    Agreed, other than the few games they are carrying I have been real disappointed in the NFL Network. It's not what I thought it would be. I thought it would be a lot of cool NFL Films stuff, etc however they just show the same old recaps and previews every day. It's like watching the late night news on Monday and then that channel showing Monday's news everynight the rest of the week.
     
  11. RazorOye

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    I agree with the $4/month idea, since that's probably the budget for NFLN's woefully substandard network.

    Their programming is poor. Studio talent is substandard. Booth analysts are mind numbing.

    Rich Eisen is a flat out terrible host. He was okay on Sportscenter. These days, all he does is use his trademark fake, insincere laughter to try and convince the audience that whatever lackluster show he's hosting is actually worth watching.

    Bryant Gumbel + Chris Collingsworth > Ny-Quil for helping you get to sleep

    Their commercials are the most repetitive I've seen on any network. During the offseason, it's absolutely terrible. United Way. NFL Network. Fathead. NFL Network. Viagra. NFL Network. United Way. Back to the studio. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

    Put up your Dukes. College Football Now. These aren't good shows.

    The NFLN only survives because there are so many NFL-addicted fans who are willing to put up with all of these shortcomings because it is, after all, football.

    It doesn't mean it's quality programming.

    It's an insulting cash grab by an organization that is already making billions on its product - so the response by Jerry Jones et. al. to such a loyal sports fanbase? Hold the product hostage.

    I have the NFLN only because I don't have to pay extra for it.

    And even knowing it's free, most of the time I can't watch it.

    NFL Replay is cool to catch during the week, sometimes - depending on the games they show.

    But that's not even an NFLN product.

    They are just using the efforts of other stations that know how to package an NFL broadcast like professionals, not the sporting equivalents of Wayne and Garth in their basement with a Sony Handycam and a Budweiser-can UHF Broadcast Antenna on top of mom's roof.
     
  12. Showtime100

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    I've had NFLN for a couple of weeks now and it's a real pleasure to get my football news and commentary from those guys and not YESPN. I haven't been yelled to or told I'm a fool if I disagree since.
     
  13. kastofsna

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    i agree about Dukes and the commercials. they show the same ones every commercial break. literally.
     
  14. Specnatz

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    I have done a lot of digging on this recently this was in another thread and I moved it to here.

    This is from 2006 - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116347066760722270.html?mod=hpp_us_editors_picks

    "The NFL is asking a very stiff price when you consider the network is currently unrated," says Time Warner Cable spokesman Mark Harrad, whose company boasts 13.5 million subscribers in 33 states. He adds that the network would jump to the fourth-priciest Time Warner carries, despite airing its marquee programming only six weeks a year. Walt Disney Co.'s ESPN is the most expensive cable network, charging operators in the neighborhood of $3 a subscriber each month.

    With Time Warner, Cablevision and other companies that the network has yet to strike a deal with, the league hasn't only insisted on its high price, but also pushed to keep it part of its standard cable package, which doesn't charge subscribers premium fees to get the network. The NFL is in a legal battle with the nation's largest cable company, Comcast Corp., over the channel being in a special tier of sports channels. Cox Communications Inc. will continue showing the games on a special tier for digital-cable subscribers, but neither company will comment on how they worked out such an arrangement."



    2007 - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118756679294202415.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    As football season approaches, the cable industry is gang-tackling a fledgling network created by the powerful National Football League.

    Time Warner Cable Inc. and Cablevision Systems Corp. are refusing to carry the NFL Network, launched in 2003, on the league's terms. Charter Communications Inc., whose controlling shareholder owns the Seattle Seahawks, stopped carrying the network in late 2005 because of a contract dispute. Comcast Corp., the country's largest cable operator, yanked the NFL Network out of millions of homes after a bitter battle. The NFL tried to stop Comcast by suing, but lost. The case is now on appeal.



    Oct 2007 - http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/other/10/23/1023cable.html


    "It is too expensive. It doesn't make sense for our business," said Ron McMillan, Time Warner's Texas vice president for government affairs, who added that increases in programming fees are the main factors behind rising cable subscriber rates.

    The NFL Network says it is asking cable operators to pay "about 2 cents a day per subscriber" for its programming, which amounts to just more than $7 a year. The cable companies counter that they would rather put the NFL Network in a special programming tier aimed primarily at sports fans.

    On Monday, the cable operator made what it described as a new offer in its two-year negotiations with NFL Network. The network could charge customers whatever it wants to cable customers who want to watch the games, and the cable company would simply pass the charge on to its customers.

    NFL Network dismissed the offer out of hand.

    "That is a proposal?" asked network spokesman Seth Palansky. "It's a desperate gimmick."



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    This shows what it would cost the cable company per month per customer, no matter if they want the channle or not. I think it would cost over $1.60 per month in my house. Just counting degital box receivers, and not the regular cable hook ups.

    The NFL is doing what Microsoft was accussed of doing and was found guilty of. They are trying to extort money from the cable companies and using fans passions against fair business practices. Now I would pay a few bucks for NFL Network but of course I think Cable companies would in-turn try and gouge the customers, so it is a double edged sword at this point.


    During the game last night JJ kept showing his commercial and so did TWC (Time Warner Cable). Granted I was flipping around very boring game and was doing other things at the sametime the game was on so I am not sure how much the saturation was.

    Anyway the Website for TWC had some info on it but I cannot cut and paste certain parts of it to here because it is in a picture format in a pdf. I assume they did this so people could not change or edit it as easily and I am not going to.

    What I think this means is that the games will be pay-per-veiw since we do not have NFLN, great can I get a reach around with this screw job.



    Now here is where TWC is trying to screw the customers, they already have a sports package that cost notmally $2.50 a month but because of having Phone, Cable and RoadRunner it cost me $1.95 a month. From My understanding this is not the package that NFLN will be put on, there will be an even more costly charge. Now in the bloded area it mentions about subscribers not having to pay for the NFL Network if you are not watching it, I am curious does that mean I will get a discount now for all the spanish channels and those damn shopping networks I do not freakin cant? This is where TWC wants it both ways, they want to give the customers the NFLN but they want the customers to pay for and make a profit off the customers and the NFL wants to make a profit off the Cable comapanies without them making any money because they are in bed with Direct TV. So neithone gives a damn about how the individual customer feels.

    Now try and find a phone number that is not answered by a call center to get info is almost virtually impossible.
     
  15. Specnatz

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    I forgot this and the links, so first this quote. Can someone please tell Microsoft that the Government should not be involved in how they do business because i do not think they have gotten the memo as of yet.



    Everything I have used is here. and the other sources I quoted.
    http://nflbadcall.com/
     
  16. Double Barrel

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    That's funny, because NFLN is probably on my TV approximately 90%+ of the time. :D

    Capitalism 101. Create a demand and then maximize profits. That is why they are in business.

    I could turn the table and say the cable companies want something for nothing. I switched from a crappy cable company - Charter (who still does not offer HD) - and went with DirecTV. The price IS THE SAME, yet now I get HD, NFLN, and a host of other channels that were upper tier packages with cable. I don't feel sorry for cable companies when they refuse to upgrade their equipment and provide a garbage signal to begin with. So to me, it's all about your chosen perspective.
     
  17. BigWig

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    Its free from Direct TV, why pay?
     
  18. TexanSam

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    I blame the NFL for trying to overcharge to watch their product on TV. It's ridiculous. I think I read somewhere that CNN charges about .25 cents per household for it to be shown on the basic cable channel. The NFL Network wants to charge about .90. I'm not sure if the numbers are correct, but the disparity is huge. I hope Time Warner keeps their ground
     
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    Why?
    I watch it a lot, except when they rerun stuff, but man its got all the game stuff, hype, commentary, and you name it, its the friggin NFL Network, what else do you want?
     
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    the NFL Network is best in the offseason with all the free agency and draft talk.
     

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