Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by CloakNNNdagger, Feb 21, 2013.
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Interesting comment about Schaub but I am sure I am reading too much into it.
Yeah, if we keep going I trust him to do a lot of things
Kubiak's answer concerning Schaub & audibles was ho hum imo. He didn't explain what Schaub is allowed to do as far audibles, only that he does a lot for him w/ out specifying. A vague answer, imo, that really doesn't explain much other then kubiak trying to convince others that they do more then meets the eye & he trusts Schaub. Obviously some don't believe that or else he wouldn't be questioned amongst the fans & media. When the Texans line up against stacked fronts & still run the ball for minimal gain or a lose tells me Schaub doesn't have as much latitude as Kubiak wants us to believe. Scenarios like that slim to never happen against the likes of P.Manning, Brees, or Brady. Why....because their coaches trust them to get out of doomed plays.
I know some will believe Kubiak is this master offensive mind that now has had added undetectable audibles to his arsenal, but I have my doubts & others do to it seems by the article.
I am glad that he is finally acknowledging that #2 WR needs to be addressed instead trying to fill us w/ the same ole BS of how Walter is a great asset that does more then we believe & that he is an adequate #2. It's a shame that the owner had to guide him, yet again, on what needs to be done, but whatever it takes I suppose.
I felt that way about KeyMart, he kinda disappeared.
Sounds like he had trouble navigating we he wasn't clean. I hope he figures it out & comes back stronger next year. How hard he hits the weights will be telling on whether he's going to be a football player or not, imo.
This tells me that if Brooks ends up playing inside, it means that he is not being used optimally or how Wade prefers, which means that the defensive unit has taken a step back.
This emphasizes something that gets under my skin. Fans and media of other teams describe cut blocking as dirty and dangerous, therefore Cushing received the Texans' own medicine. I have to question how many opposing players have ever been injured by a Texans cut block. I've never seen it.
This tells me if we resign Barwin, we've got three high round draft picks tied up in two spots. Brooks' flexibility would give him the opportunity to stay on the field on some 3rd downs, whether he's dropping in coverage, or rotating in as an outside rusher.
Name all the HC interviews (especially at the combine, but go ahead and open it up) where they discuss in any detail their audible system.
They don't discuss them, but please tell me how many other HC's are questioned throughout the season & in the offseason on why they don't allow or seem to allow their QB to audible more. There aren't that many. Walking straight up to line scrimmage, glancing around & still running a play that seemed doomed from the beginning is hardly an "audible system". I don't nor do most others need Kubiak to discuss a system that to most seems very limited & thus comes under fire. If it walks like a duck....
Except we still have a top 10 offense, in yards, & points. Our RB leads the league in rushing TDs.
I know they're just stats, but shouldn't a limited offense quack like a duck?
Lol! It should, but we aren't talking about the offense as a whole now are we? We are talking about Schaub & the so-called "audible system"...or lack thereof. That's an aspect of the offense that some believe is lacking & exactly why kubiak is questioned, which is hardly a surprise to most.
I normally stand by stats as they do normally tell the tale, but isn't that why the Texans were referred to as "frauds". They looked good on paper w/ the pretty record & stats, but when it came down to crunch time...they folded & many weren't surprised despite all of those wonderful things you listed.
Cushing expresses his support of tightening up the rules on low blocks, and gives his opinion of Slauson's play. Wait for media to imply hyprocrisy because he plays for the Texans.
Our RB may have led the league in rushing touchdowns but does it matter who gets in the endzone as long as someone does? We didn't lead the league in rushing touchdowns in other words. We were fourth. Ironically the Patriots led in rushing touchdowns and their backs hit the endzone more than ours.
Plus let's be honest...we can grab the end of the year stats all we want but down the stretch this was limited. Just like we were top 10 in scoring. Yeah, but it breaks down like this:
First 7 games
216 points = 30.9 avg. per game
21 Offensive Touchdowns
Last 9 games
200 points = 22.2 avg. per game
*77 of those 200 points came in two games vs Jaguars/Lions for 39% of the complete total
20 Offensive Touchdowns
Sorry, that is an unimpressive way to finish the second half of your season and speaks of some issues. Can't count on always having Jaguars and Lions defenses in the playoffs, heh. It was like we reversed it. First 7 games we scored our most TD's on the Broncs and Ravens. Last 9 we scored our most on Jags and Lions. So from top caliber teams to only scoring on the bottom barrel. We couldn't even score on the Colts/Vikes...playoff teams but medicore defenses.
Can we get yards? Yes. But prolific offenses get touchdowns which down the stretch we seemed foreign to. We scored SIX freaking points against the medicore defense of the Viqueens. No one scored that low against them. At home no less.
Let's look even more so...there was a stretch during the end of the year we didn't score an offensive toucdown for 9 freaking quarters. And we weren't playing some elite teams...we were playing the darn Colts and Vikings. So we take this into the playoffs and once again we're gaining yards and no touchdowns against the Bengals though at least they are a good defense and the Patriots...well...we all remember that TKO from every facet of the game except (ironically) special teams.
So yeah, this offense was limited. They need to develop a way to get the ball in the endzone. We were 18th in passing touchdowns despite Schaub's 4k yards so again...yards and seldom touchdowns.
Another point of limitation is the deep game. Can't remember precisely as I put it in another thread but of the quarterbacks going in the postseason we threw 20+ the least other than Kap (who was right behind Schaub with far less games so he'd surpass him), Ponder and RG3.
So yeah...limited. This baby is quacking lol.
"We're built a certain way, so we're going to teach our system."
Your "system," Gary, is inferior vs. better defenses. They know what you're doing in various scenarios, and they know how to nullify your best-made plans.
Maybe focus more on adaptability and formation/style uniqueness instead of just sharpening your beloved system. Because you're screwing this team right out of the gate when we face better defenses.
Kubiak is channeling his inner Belichick of saying a whole lotta' words while saying a whole lotta' nothing.
Kubiak and Schaub have both admitted on their radio shows that the QB gets three options at the LOS, but none of them offer the flexibility that we see with QBs like P. Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers. I believe this is what the question was about, but Kubiak avoided a real answer.
And what does this mean? "if we keep going I trust him to do a lot of things"
IF? What does he mean "if"? There is no "if". Schaub is our QB for at least two more seasons and I honestly doubt that the position is open to competition.
I'm sorry, those two games, while certainly exciting to watch, were indicative of a team that struggled to beat two teams with a combined 6 win record for the season. These teams are cellar dwellers in 2012, so let's not delude ourselves that these performances are indicative of a team on the cusp of winning a Super Bowl.
And the two New England games? You mean the team that beat the Texans twice with a combined score of 83-42? Did the Texans ever have a lead in either of those games? Oh wait, we did lead 3-0 at the beginning of the second game, so we've got that to be proud of, I guess.
I'm just thinking if our lack of audibling (if that is true) is limiting our offense, shouldn't our offense look limited on the stat sheet. If we're consistently in situations where the called play is doomed.. we shouldn't be in the top 10 of as many offensive stats as we are.
I'm just wondering if our stats show that we were hardly stopped as often as other teams (because the stats, if nothing else, show a relative position) then maybe Schaub is doing more than we're giving him credit for, or Kubiak is more creative & keeping defenses off balance than we're giving him credit for.
I'm not saying either is the case, just saying that the "limited offense due to lack of audibles" argument isn't supported by the production we do get on offense.
Yeah, where I come from, 4th is still pretty good.
I agree we have limitations, none of you stats show we are limited because of our audible system. Which is what we're discussing at the moment.
You can fall into the deep end of pool and look good climbing out or you can learn to swim and do a butterfly stroke to shallow end and bow to the oohs by the pretty girls.
Since we had the lead in most of part until week 10 or so...... I think we were doing the back stroke where the pretty girls are. At least until Newton got hurt. From there we struggled.
The two games we played without Newton, we were playing without the guy we planned to start the season with at RT, or the guy who beat him out of the job. We were down to our third option, a street FA. When Newton got back, he struggled. With that & Ben Jones's struggle with bigger DTs & defenses blitzing him..... we went to quick passes & never bought us any room.
If this is the case for the offensive ineptitude then my vote goes to Newton for MVP.
I think where we disagree is you seem to focus on saying how good we were and I am focusing on how much better we could have been.
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