Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by badboy, Nov 6, 2018.
Lamar Miller now in pro bowl replacing Denver Running Back.
Need to correct misconceptions I had on free agent tags. 1) I thought club had right to franchise tag a player two years. This is wrong. Per CBA Article 10 originating club may tag three times with 3rd being a franchise or transition tag. Difference seems to be in math determining pay. This impacts Bell 2) I thought a club could transfer these tags in a trade. This is wrong. This applies to Clowney posts I've made.
Henderson contract better than I hoped. 1 million base and .5 roster bonus day 3 with per game bonus if on roster. NOT guaranteed for injury and that's huge for team.
Breaking down Texans tackle Seantrel Henderson's $4.5 million deal
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle Jan. 24, 2019
Texans offensive tackle Seantrel Henderson's $4.5 million contract provides plenty of protection in case the veteran blocker isn't healthy.
Henderson is due a $1.5 million base salary, but just $1 million is guaranteed for skill, injury and salary cap. The injury guarantee doesn't apply to preexisting injuries.
Henderson spent all but one game last season on injured reserve with a broken ankle.
Henderson is due a $500,000 roster bonus on the third day of the league year.
He's due a $500,000 roster bonus if he's on the 46-man roster bonus for 12 or more games.
He's due an additional $2 million roster bonus to be paid out $125,000 per game that he's on the 46-man roster bonus.
I wish I could get that kind of money for doing nothing more earth-shattering than playing football.
Dolphins RT Ju'Wuan James saying good chance he will return to team as HC Case was terminated. James didn't feel offense had an identity under coach.
Very interesting article from Anthony Wood of texanswire.usatoday..com Jalen Ramsey being "wooed" by Hopkins. We've seen type stuff before but this was intriguing. Ramsey 24 YOA in his 4th season with Jags is considered a premiere corner and 6'1 209. He and Hopkins have been tweeting along with Watson each others praises. Ramsey's comments directed at other NFL players are well known. Per OTC.com 2019 Jags $1.5m in negative cap space with only $16.5 m in 2020. Of course if Bortles is gone as many are suggesting, it will clear only $5 m June 1st and the $18 m in 2020 would seem to pay for Ramsey but---
Texans have cap but what costs would it take? Lamar Miller is mentioned as a possible trade component clearing $7 m. Talk is that Jags may be trading Fournette for NicK Foles ($21m cap?). TJ Yeldon is UFA and not productive & been part of a weird rotation with Carlos Hyde also non productive and maybe gone as a $4.7 m savings. Would Miller and our #23 get Ramsey? I say no but Jacksonville may need to move him. Would both teams do that? This would also allow KJack to leave.
Seems unlikely but possible. Jags need to change a lot but other cap can be found by cutting guys like RT Parnell & safety Barry Church. Thoughts?
I could see landing Ramsey as being a strong move which hinges on the Jags thinking a RD1-23 and Miller is enough. I would try to include Fuller with a RD4 in return.
Think you are under valuing Fuller. First I'm not sure I'd trade him, yeah he has an injury history but when he is on the field teams have to change how they plan for us, he automatically helps Nuk get open just because defenses can't ignore him like they do many of our other players on offense, like you know the entire O line. Second, if I did trade him I think you could get a third or maybe even second with the right trade partner, you can't coach speed and his kind of speed is rare. Add in that he actually has a decent catch rate and you have a dangerous weapon when he is on the field.
I'd be watching both Deebo Sweeney and Riley Ridley as replacements. Both of these guys are just as fast, Deebo is a sick route runner and Ridley has a lot of untapped upside. These guys arrive healthy and ready to play. Either would be a nice replacement for Fuller.
Why would the Jags do this trade? It provides them no cap relief which is what they need the most. Fournette and Coughlin talked out whatever their issue was together, and they still have Hyde under contract so why do they need to add a 3 RB at a high cap hit? Fuller's value is probably not very high at this point in his career, because while he is talented the best ability is availability which he does not have.
It would most definitely take multiple 1sts that the Jags would believe would be fairly high up in the first round, and they would absolutely make the Texans over pay to get the to trade him in division
Fuller is a low 4.3 guy, Ridley/Samuel who I really like are high 4.4/4.5 guys. Really good potential but not the type of guys that take the top off of a defense.
Would you be willing to give up a 1st and a 2nd this yr and a 2020 2nd to get Ramsey? I dont think I would but I would definitely consider it.
I would, but I don't think the Jags would even do that trade.
I also think very highly of Ramsey, I think Ramsey is going to be a top 5 shut down corner for the better part of the next decade. I believe the kid has HOF potential, I was super high on him coming out of the draft as well and was pissed the Cowboys passed on him because I knew the Jags were tripping over themselves to turn in that card.
Agreed, plus the fact that the Jags will never teadt Ramsey within the division.
As of today, would you rather have Zeke or Ramsey on the Cowboys?
Ramsey, we would only have to see him once every 4 years oppose to twice a year.
But I guess the real question is then who would I rather the Jaguars have currently, Ramsey or Zeke and to me it's Zeke hands down. I think highly of Zeke as well, but I think the rest of the Jags offense makes it easy to game plan for Zeke.
My concern, Fuller's injuries might take a toll on his healthy speed. Just a slip in his time and he's similar to Deebo. I expect Ridley to pop a solid to very nice 4.4-40 at the Combine.
What I would, ideally, like to see is where Fuller just has to basically sprint to keep defensives honest and present that constant deep threat and throw to him if he has basically dusted whoever was covering him. Then you have a more short-mid range guy, perhaps Coutee or someone like that, as another constant target. Nuk as that always dangerous target that Watson can go to when in doubt and then if we could actually use our TEs for something other then blocking you could have possibly up to 5 guys on any one play that can be targeted and be real threats. That's very hard for defenses to deal with when you also have a QB that could take off running any moment. Add in a decent RB or two to give Watson a break from throwing and Bobs your uncle you have a high scoring offense with long term sustainability.
Yes, yes I know this is the ideal scenario and I don't expect to hit it this off season but if you could have a case where Fuller can just run at a fairly easy slope a few plays it would lengthen his health I think. Then you aren't wasting all the years spent on him or the capital it would take to get a new version of him in the draft and then coaching that guy. Jags aren't going to do anything they might think could possibly help us and nether are the Colts or Titans. All three teams are tired of being bride maids in the division and they smell blood in the water so any trade that involves them might as well be written off.
I'm still hoping to use a large portion of the draft to shore up the protection on Watson, unless the football gods decide to have a laugh and a must get player drops to us, so I am very hesitant about trading to much. If we got say two more second rounds for our first then yeah maybe but really for me this draft is about quantity almost as much as quality when it comes to the line because we know the current group sucks. Long term Watson can't keep taking 60+ sacks a season so we have got to stop the bleeding even if means making what we have at WR and RB work for another season.
Fuller might have value as a decoy as long as we never throw to him unless he is by himself behind the defense. That way he doesn't get hurt. He will never stay healthy in normal circumstances.
Deebo Sweeney? Hey, that sounds like a coach I wouldn't mind having.
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