Mike Leach Fired

Discussion in 'College Football & the NFL Draft' started by Texan_Bill, Dec 28, 2009.

  1. Texan_Bill

    Texan_Bill Subscribed Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2003
    Messages:
    48,662
    Likes Received:
    2,088
    Location:
    Houston. Mediocrity Lives Here!!
    More: Coach Leach is suspended until further notice
     
  2. hookinreds

    hookinreds Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2007
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    125
    Location:
    Round Rock
    I don't know what I'm more surprised about...the funky Pirate being suspended, or that Tech has a Defensive Coordinator?
     
  3. hookinreds

    hookinreds Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2007
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    125
    Location:
    Round Rock
    Something about Craig James' (ESPN) kid having signs of a concussion and Leach telling a trainer to put him in a dark electrical closet during practice that Leach said would help him and keep him close to the team during practice. Very weird.
     
  4. GP

    GP Go Texans!

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Messages:
    17,747
    Likes Received:
    1,573
    Location:
    TEXAS!
    Just throwing this out there:

    When you have a concussion, is the exposure to bright lights something that hurts the injured player, something akin to having a migraine...thus prompting Leach to say "Put him in the electrical closet" because maybe it's dark in there?

    Leach is a weird cat. And sometimes he says things that leave you wondering if he was for real or just messing with people's heads.

    It's like he's a mini-Bobby Knight. Without the physical outbursts, though.

    Man, this is messed up. I'm stunned.
     
  5. GP

    GP Go Texans!

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Messages:
    17,747
    Likes Received:
    1,573
    Location:
    TEXAS!
    An attorney for Leach says he wanted Adam James in a cool, dark place.

    But the report with ESPN.com says that Leach wanted Adam James to be secluded in a dark, confining space where he could not sit down or lean on anything (basically, he had to remain standing).

    Look, "WHAT IF" Leach thought that James might lay down or lean on something, and go to sleep? You don't sleep if you have a concussion. You stay awake.

    It sounds like he got concussed at practice. Trainers went out there, or brought him to the sideline, where they examined him on-the-spot. He had an elevated heart rate at that time. There was no official examination; no clinical diagnosis of how severe the concussion was.

    So Leach, trying to keep practice running along, has his staff take Adam James to the dark closet where he can't lay down (in fear of him falling asleep).

    OR.....Leach thought he was being a puss, and treated him in a jackass'ical way by having him stand in a dark closet since he claims his head was hurt.

    Leach is a former lawyer. He went to law school, IIRC, and it wouldn't surprise me if he did this stunt knowing that he had "an out" in poker terms, so to speak.

    I live in the area of Lubbock. Sometimes I have seen him on the local TV news station, doing a guest spot as a weather man where he gets to use the green screen. He is WEIRD! He was saying nonsensical stuff that left the TV news anchors giving each other weird looks, chuckling out of awkwardness.

    I think he gets off the hook, but is told that one more weird event from him will be a "walk the plank" punishment awaiting him.
     
    bah007 likes this.
  6. Texecutioner

    Texecutioner Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,321
    Likes Received:
    1,019
    Agreed. TT isn't about to get rid of Leach. Their future would be way to uncertain. I don't think this is bad enough "yet".

    If it happens again though, you're right and he'll be sleeping with the fishes. :gun:

    His weirdness can't last forever.
     
  7. GP

    GP Go Texans!

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Messages:
    17,747
    Likes Received:
    1,573
    Location:
    TEXAS!
    I think Leach was jacking around with Adam James, and the "lawyer" in Leach knew he had a somewhat reasonable "out" by making him go to a dark closet and not lay down or lean on anything.

    1. He can claim he was only looking out for the player.

    2. He can claim that this is a case of Adam's daddy (Craig James) making a big deal about nothing.

    3. He can claim that certain people took him out of context in terms of what he was trying to accomplish with Adam James (given the situation).

    This is a guy who has an alter-ego nickname for Taylor Potts. Even his jersey had the name "Nick," or some such thing, on the back.

    He gives bizarre press conferences.

    I've seen his weird appearance on Lubbock's local TV station.

    Is the guy going bonkers? He might be. There might just be a gradual breakdown in brain matter that is causing him to exhibit irrational or inexplicable behavior that's associated with any number of conditions that an older man might be developing at his age.

    If he shows up to the stadium in bunny slippers and an ivory-handled Colt revolver on his hip, I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

    Tech better have some sort of spread offense coach on their radar, IMO.
     
  8. GP

    GP Go Texans!

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Messages:
    17,747
    Likes Received:
    1,573
    Location:
    TEXAS!
    Inquiring Minds Want To Know:

    "Why is it necessary to put Adam James in the 'coolest' area that could be found" when it's freaking DECEMBER in Lubbock?

    Any of you guys been in Lubbock in December? It isn't warm.

    Something else, why is he in a dark ELECTRICAL closet? Isn't that a potential hazard to be enclosed near electrical wires, switches, etc.? And a guard was posted outside? And he was told he would be kicked off the team if he came out?

    I dunno....Mike Leach might be in bigger trouble than first reported/theorized.

    This does NOT look good for Mike Leach. This puts him right up there with Mangino of Kansas, IMO. The only saving grace is going to be how tolerant Texas Tech was of Bobby Knight. They might pull the "Aw, shucks...Mike didn't mean any harm. We're on the same page. No news here" card.

    Wow. Drama in Red Raider Land. LOL!
     


  9. Hardcore Texan

    Hardcore Texan Magnet Man

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    Messages:
    9,464
    Likes Received:
    844
    Location:
    Round Rock, TX
    As long as everything is up to code and meets OSHA standards the answer is no.
     
  10. texanhead08

    texanhead08 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2008
    Messages:
    1,447
    Likes Received:
    61
    Location:
    Houston,Tx
    There is also the angle out there about Craig James bitching about his kids playing time all year too. Maybe Leach was showing him who is running the team and if they kid doesn't like it he can leave.
     
  11. hookinreds

    hookinreds Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2007
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    125
    Location:
    Round Rock
    Hey Craig...thanks for making sure those that break the rules are punished, becuase i'm sure you had nothing to do with SMU football being blown off the planet...or were you a whistle blower there too?


    Not taking anything away from hurting a kid, but I think it's a far reach to say that Craig isn't partially responsible for what ever happend here.
     
  12. GP

    GP Go Texans!

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Messages:
    17,747
    Likes Received:
    1,573
    Location:
    TEXAS!
    This has taken on the appearance of a feud between Craig and Mike.

    But the problem is that Mike goofed up. He took it up a notch, and it makes him look verrry verrry bad, IMO.

    Now, Craig James is playing the "We are only trying to help Texas Tech in its goal of shaping young men" card.

    There is no way that Texas Tech is going to allow Mike Leach to return for the bowl game. The sports media would be all over this ordeal 24/7 and it would distract the team more than it already has.

    TTU doesn't want that sort of publicity right now. They want to limit Leach's exposure as much as possible.

    Leach is eccentric, to say the least, and he went over the line, IMO.

    The only thing going for Leach, at the moment, is that he doesn't have a documented history of abusing players. I don't think any TTU players are going to surface and attack Leach like what we saw with Mangino at Kansas.

    But will TTU feel that the team is solid enough to go a different direction for head coach? To what degree does Mike Leach HIMSELF give the Red Raiders a better chance of beating teams? The system is known by his assistants. Could a better head coach, one who doesn't play Sheffield while the dude is limping on one foot all game long, be a difference-maker for them?

    It's interesting to see how much an organization will attempt to hold onto the head coach whom they think is solely responsible for the team's success, as well as for future prospects of STAYING a winner.

    Sometimes, it's just time to go. I think TTU could cite some escape clause in the Leach contract that has to do with conduct detrimental to the University's image.

    Rich Rodriguez left West Virginia and the assistant coach took the reins and led the team to a bowl victory in his first gig as head coach there. Going to be interesting to see how McNeil handles this. He turned around the Tech defense.

    As a Tech fan, I had actually tired of the Leach act this season. The comments about his players' "fat little girlfriends" was the last straw for me. I think the guy is in his own world.
     
  13. LonerATO

    LonerATO Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2006
    Messages:
    2,921
    Likes Received:
    90
    Location:
    No longer stuck in SA Town
    I bet this would not be a big story if it wasn't Craig James kid
     
    dc_txtech and Goldensilence like this.
  14. Texecutioner

    Texecutioner Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,321
    Likes Received:
    1,019
    I think Leach is entertaining. He is different and strange but effective as a HC. If I were TT I wouldn't fire him over this, but if they do I won't blame them one bit. I can't understand what the hell he was thinking about all of this and what made him throw a kid into a closet like that. I'd probably have to be in the room when they're asking him why he did all of that to see what his responses are. The media is reporting that he feels that he did nothing wrong so it sort of stinks of Leach being the typical arrogant Leach that's strange and in his own little world like you say. I guess I'd have to be talking to him myself though really to try and understand where is he with all of this.

    But TT would probably go down hill big time if Leach were gone in my opinion. In college football a program like TT can't be successful with just anyone. They need a really good guy out there since recruiting is so difficult for a town like Lubbock.
     
  15. Stemp

    Stemp Brew Master

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2008
    Messages:
    7,150
    Likes Received:
    495
    Location:
    Temple, TX
    I don't like Mike Leach but I respect him as a coach and the mad pirate scientist that he is. The guys is too smart to do something so blatantly dumb and we've only gotten 1 side of the story which is coming from the "sports journalist" father of a disgruntled player and who has used his status to lobby to get his kid more playing time.

    Add in the fact that the Tech AD can't stand Leach and that he has pissed off the Tech administration by continually interviewing for other HC jobs and it's a powder keg. I'd love for Leach to leave Tech,but not like this and not because a Daddy is mad because the mean coach wasn't nice to his son.
     
  16. Spled

    Spled All Pro

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    776
    Likes Received:
    18
    Leach shouldn't have brought up that he thinks James is a slacker because it made the whole thing look like punishment.
     
  17. disaacks3

    disaacks3 Site Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2004
    Messages:
    11,335
    Likes Received:
    919
    Location:
    Spring, TX
    You mean ESPN...the "fair and balanced" evaluators of sports talent would do such a thing? :runaway:
     
  18. Mr. White

    Mr. White H-Town Beatdown

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    6,020
    Likes Received:
    422
    Location:
    Sugar Land
    The "fat little girlfriend" is actually a metaphor for player egos. At least that's what I heard from a Tech fan.

    http://www.redraiders.com/2009/10/26/tech-notes-leach-not-apologizing-to-fat-little-girlfriends/

    Kind of makes sense when you look at it in context.

    I guess it was his mistake for not clarifying that point. But then again that would be pretty PC of him to do that.
     
  19. Stemp

    Stemp Brew Master

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2008
    Messages:
    7,150
    Likes Received:
    495
    Location:
    Temple, TX
    Leach filed an injunction to coach the Alamo Bowl.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls09/news/story?id=4779341
     
  20. steelbtexan

    steelbtexan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2007
    Messages:
    14,171
    Likes Received:
    569
    Did anybody get the feeling that Gerald Myers has been looking for a way to get rid of Leach for a while?

    I dont think Myers wanted to pay Leach after last years great season but was forced into it because of pressure from some of the alumni.
     
    bah007 likes this.

Share This Page