But why are you saying W. Phillips needs to go?i'm saying that Williams is a fast powerful Defensive End and to get rid of such a play maker would be foolish, especially to bring in a guy who recently came off of a bad injury.
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But why are you saying W. Phillips needs to go?i'm saying that Williams is a fast powerful Defensive End and to get rid of such a play maker would be foolish, especially to bring in a guy who recently came off of a bad injury.
I don't think so Dale.Normally, the LDE is covered by a tackle and a TE. He almost never plays the 9 technique (which is lining up very wide, even wide of the TE).
I asked, not because I didn't know, but because Mario always followed the TE. He didn't play RDE or LDE, he played Strongside DE, wherever the TE lined up out of the huddle, that's where Mario was.I agree that Mario played better on the strong side of the formation..He seems to thrive when he's consistently engaging blockers...
Put him in space and he looks a little less comfortable...
well i'm sure it would be wade who was the determining factor on the trade. considering its his style of defense and he's needing certain "types" of players. I'm sure he's saying who we need and who we don't. You think if he hadn't come here that trading Mario would of ever come up ???But why are you saying W. Phillips needs to go?
It didn't come up by anyone other than a radio talk show host that is not even from these parts!well i'm sure it would be wade who was the determining factor on the trade. considering its his style of defense and he's needing certain "types" of players. I'm sure he's saying who we need and who we don't. You think if he hadn't come here that trading Mario would of ever come up ???
i'm not saying its true, i know its all speculation, but i'd be pretty mad IF it did happen. Do i think it will ??? NO, but u never know.It didn't come up by anyone other than a radio talk show host that is not even from these parts!
I didn't see it last year.I don't think so Dale.
Mario played the 9 technique very often.
I haven't break down his games this year; but the previous year, he was equally effective as a strong side end as a weak side end.
Fixed it for you.This won't go down, because this is not a trade proposal. It's not on the table, Denver is not talking to Houston. Houston is not talking to Denver.
This is just a figment of some nobody's imagination whose whole schtick is saying things that outrage his listeners so they call in and argue.
Mario plays the 9-tech mostly in a front called the Miami front (from Jimmy Johnson - Hurricanes to Cowboys).Normally, the LDE is covered by a tackle and a TE. He almost never plays the 9 technique (which is lining up very wide, even wide of the TE).
Mario plays the 9-tech mostly in a front called the Miami front (from Jimmy Johnson - Hurricanes to Cowboys).
It's a 4-man Over Front with the strong side DE lining up outside the TE.
A quick scan of the Colts game in week 1 shows him there at least a dozen time in the first half.
There's benefit both against the run and the pass because Mario is such a monster (when he's healthy.)
You can try to imagine why or I can come back to it later.
It's nothing new since we had used Mario this way for quite a few years already.
Not only that, when we're in the Under Front, as the weak side rush end, we also lined him up wide (sometimes as wide with the same spacing as if there's a TE there and he's a 9-tech).
We do that in a 3-man front at times as well.
It's not just Mario, we use other DEs that way from time to time as well.
/END Thread!!!!!The self proclaimed "Mighty Quinn" is a insufferable gas bag who's more than worn out his shtick. My ears bleed listening to him give himself verbal fellatio on air. Listened to him when he first came to town, because he was different, but can't stand him now, because it's now all forced...can't wait until his yankee ass gets canned.
That is all.
That, there's actually things we agree upon. But I can no longer stand to listen to his show. The best thing about that show is it only lasts two hours, he's the Rush Limbaugh of sports talk radio...and if he read this post, he'd would probably take this as a complement, because Rush Limbaugh is a huge success and then he would ramble on about how smart he is for at least 45 minutes.I dont listen to mighty Quin.
I'm guessing he's anti BoB,Rick and Gary.
What do you disagree with him on. Or is it he's all schtick?
It's not that I disagree with him, but he will always point out anything he's ever been right on in the past and will then do some self back-patting anytime he feels fancy. I also get the feeling that will have takes that are pretty far out there so he can spend the show defending himself and talking down to the callers. Also his delivery when he's making a "big point" is pretty grating, and just reminds me of a guy who is either entirely overconfident in his team or completely down on them and there is no middle ground.I dont listen to mighty Quin.
I'm guessing he's anti BoB,Rick and Gary.
What do you disagree with him on. Or is it he's all schtick?
Photo says it all.For Christ's sake, look at the photo he uses at the website.
He might as well have douche tattooed across his forehead....and there's plenty of forehead to stamp that tattoo on, you could probably even squeeze in a bag
I will have to listen to him. I'm not a middle ground person.It's not that I disagree with him, but he will always point out anything he's ever been right on in the past and will then do some self back-patting anytime he feels fancy. I also get the feeling that will have takes that are pretty far out there so he can spend the show defending himself and talking down to the callers. Also his delivery when he's making a "big point" is pretty grating, and just reminds me of a guy who is either entirely overconfident in his team or completely down on them and there is no middle ground.
Heh. So true. Except, I listened to him at first because he was the better of three evils during lunch. But, now that 1560 dumped Brando, I finally have a better option. Haven't touched 790 during lunch since.The self proclaimed "Mighty Quinn" is a insufferable gas bag who's more than worn out his shtick. My ears bleed listening to him give himself verbal fellatio on air. Listened to him when he first came to town, because he was different, but can't stand him now, because it's now all forced...can't wait until his yankee ass gets canned.
That is all.
I agree that no one is un-trade able, but Mario isn't "just a guy" like some people act like he is. I know you are not. If he doesn't produce this year, then it's time to move on, but I would like to see him in a defense that isn't run by Gary's baby sitter.Man, it kills me to continue to see people act like Mario Williams is some guy that can't be parted with by some fans here. We had one of the worst pass rushes in the league before Mario got here and we still have one of the worst pass rushes in the league since he's been here. Mario is a good DE, but he is not a game changer on defense.
If Dumberville wasn't coming off a major injury this trade would be a no brainer. His salary wouldn't bother me that much at all really, but his injury was pretty bad. Mario is constantly having nagging injuries though or always has some sort of problem going on with him. Either way, he's nowhere near the player people try and act like he is around here and he's had a lack of motivation type of problem since college and I can't stand players like that especially on the Dline where you have to have a high motor. I doubt this has anything to it though. Mario is one of those guys that Bob sees as an investment because of his hype and his stature. Mario could put up 4 sacks and he'd still be looked at as a beast around here. Bob cares about money and Mario has the fan support because he was a #1 draft pick and hasn't been arrested. He's going nowhere.
If Mario doesn't excell in this 3-4 defense or gets injured this season his stock won't be worth jack after this season compared to what it is now though. I'd love to see him traded while the value is still pretty high. It's not like it would hurt the worst defense in the league either way.
No, in the Miami front, Mario always lines up outside the TE (9-tech) or wider.when I've seen Mario line up on the strong side, I remember him lining up over the TE (perhaps shading his outside)... he almost always engages the TE and sometimes the Tackle... Perhaps that is a 9 technique... It's not what I picture, though, when I think of it.
While Mario may not like it (I don't know if that is true or not) we'll just be creating another hole, if we were to let him go. I've got faith in Antonio & Amobi to be able to play the DE position in a 3-4, but not a whole lot.I agree that no one is un-trade able, but Mario isn't "just a guy" like some people act like he is. I know you are not. If he doesn't produce this year, then it's time to move on, but I would like to see him in a defense that isn't run by Gary's baby sitter.
I like Mario just as much as the next guy. & I've seen some of the things you point out. But his game can be, and really should be (by now) better than what it is. He's an outside guy/bull rush...... and very rarely does he go to the bull rush. As athletic as he is, he should be able to stunt outside, fake outside, or punch an OT to the outside, then cut back inside/under..... or even develop a spin back to the inside. Once he can do that, & actually mix it up, then he'll be a monster. Then he'll be able to take over games.In the passing game, Mario is simply to strong for the TE to handle (if he stays back to block.)
If the TE releases, the strong side offensive tackle has a long way to slide over to take on the block.
On the other hand, Mario is so quick, he can get past the edge and go after the QB.
If the offensive tackle wants to slide over quicker, he normally has to get up off his bend/hunch. And when he plays high like that, it's easy for Mario to bull rush him into the QB, or push him back and get to the QB to the inside.
Every time I rewatch the Colts game in week one, I wish Mario can stay healthy. He was simply a one-man wrecking crew out there!
Mario injured his hip in the third practice but play through it.I like Mario just as much as the next guy. & I've seen some of the things you point out. But his game can be, and really should be (by now) better than what it is. He's an outside guy/bull rush...... and very rarely does he go to the bull rush. As athletic as he is, he should be able to stunt outside, fake outside, or punch an OT to the outside, then cut back inside/under..... or even develop a spin back to the inside. Once he can do that, & actually mix it up, then he'll be a monster. Then he'll be able to take over games.
Now, I'd say he's above average, beastly when 100% like at the beginning of the 2010 season. But nowhere near where he should be at this point in his career.
I liked Kollar, I like what he did with what he had in Buffalo. I expected Mario to benefit & develop with a real DL coach. I know it's only been 1.5 seasons, but I'm wondering what he's waiting on.
Cant rep youI like Mario just as much as the next guy. & I've seen some of the things you point out. But his game can be, and really should be (by now) better than what it is. He's an outside guy/bull rush...... and very rarely does he go to the bull rush. As athletic as he is, he should be able to stunt outside, fake outside, or punch an OT to the outside, then cut back inside/under..... or even develop a spin back to the inside. Once he can do that, & actually mix it up, then he'll be a monster. Then he'll be able to take over games.
Now, I'd say he's above average, beastly when 100% like at the beginning of the 2010 season. But nowhere near where he should be at this point in his career.
I liked Kollar, I like what he did with what he had in Buffalo. I expected Mario to benefit & develop with a real DL coach. I know it's only been 1.5 seasons, but I'm wondering what he's waiting on.
Cant rep you
Spot On analysis. I dont know if MW will ever get what you speak of here. Plus MW is an injury waiting to happen. If a guy (MW) is only good for 5-6 games and great for 2-3 I dont see that as being elite.
Hometown fans always tend to overrate the hometown guys. What's scary is the talent that MW has if he was to go somewhere else and have his drive match his god given ability. He would be a multiple time all-pro and the Texans brass would have egg on their collective face.
The problem is so far in college and the pros his production hasn't met up to his ability. TK sitting here today would you sign MW to a big contract extention? I dont think I would as of right now. Because that $$$$ could be better spent on several players and the team would be more well rounded.
If MW comes in and adapts to Wades defense and has a really good yr. (I'm not just talking about sacks.) Then I would have to reconsider that decision.
BTW I would be concerned if MW has a big 2011 season that after he gets paid his effort level would drop. This is the conundrum facing McNair.
How many players have we had go on IR?Cant rep you
Spot On analysis. I dont know if MW will ever get what you speak of here. Plus MW is an injury waiting to happen. If a guy (MW) is only good for 5-6 games and great for 2-3 I dont see that as being elite.
Hometown fans always tend to overrate the hometown guys. What's scary is the talent that MW has if he was to go somewhere else and have his drive match his god given ability. He would be a multiple time all-pro and the Texans brass would have egg on their collective face.
ThisI'd have to treat Mario just like the Titans treated Haynesworth: let him play out his contract this year. Then, if he dominates, franchise him in 2012 and prepare to let him walk in 2013.
I like Mario, but honestly, this doesn't surprise me at all. People keep bringing up Bruce Smith for comparison, but I just don't see the fire and passion in Mario that I saw in Bruce for many, many years.I'm not sure if any of you were lsitening to 1560 on the way to work yesterday but interesting story by Lance. Seems Mario is really into riding his Harley around. He hangs with a group of guys who rides bikes around. LZ says one of his buddies in that group and that Mario tells them all the time that football isn't the most important thing. The context of the conversation was having a guy like AJ Hawk or others who live and breath football. Do the Texans have many guys who take the job as their life. I've never looked at Mario as a guy who is fully committed or always in the game. Special talent but not a guy I'd be afraid to lose for the right price.
Football is only a diversionI like Mario, but honestly, this doesn't surprise me at all. People keep bringing up Bruce Smith for comparison, but I just don't see the fire and passion in Mario that I saw in Bruce for many, many years.
I think AJ is, without a doubt, one of those "football is my life" players. I'm not sure how many we have, but I'd be willing to bet we have at least a few more (at least from public persona, since that's all we have to judge by). DeMeco seems like one, as well as...ummm...maybe Cushing?
That has to be accurate. A radio host knows a guy who rides Harleys with Mario. We're supposed to take something like this seriously?I'm not sure if any of you were lsitening to 1560 on the way to work yesterday but interesting story by Lance. Seems Mario is really into riding his Harley around. He hangs with a group of guys who rides bikes around. LZ says one of his buddies in that group and that Mario tells them all the time...
Thank you.That has to be accurate. A radio host knows a guy who rides Harleys with Mario. We're supposed to take something like this seriously?
Apparently, I have to spread rep around...That has to be accurate. A radio host knows a guy who rides Harleys with Mario. We're supposed to take something like this seriously?
Do they make sport bikes for 6'7" 300 lbs?Oh and I won't claim to know Mario doesn't own a Harley but I am pretty sure he prefers sport bikes.
Pretty sure based on a peek you've taken in his garage or pretty sure based on personal speculation ala some certain radio host?Oh and I won't claim to know Mario doesn't own a Harley but I am pretty sure he prefers sport bikes.
Pretty sure based on his being a speed freak and having seen a report of his buying a GSXR at one point.Pretty sure based on a peek you've taken in his garage or pretty sure based on personal speculation ala some certain radio host?
I think they call them Hyabusa's...Do they make sport bikes for 6'7" 300 lbs?
That has to be accurate. A radio host knows a guy who rides Harleys with Mario. We're supposed to take something like this seriously?
Thank you.