Mel Kiper 1.0 and McShay 2.0

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  1. HoustonFrog

    HoustonFrog Dallas Frog

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    On ESPN Insider both have their most recent mocks

    Kiper has

    #8 Titans--Von Miller OLB Texas A&M

    #9 Cowboys--Prince Amukamara, CB Nebraska

    #11 Texans--Aldon Smith, OLB Missouri

    McShay

    #8 Titans--Jake Locker QB Washington(reach and he admits it)

    #9 Cowboys--Prince Amukamara, CB Nebraska

    #11 Texans--Von Miller OLB Texas A&M

    Funny in both Cam Newton goes to Washington at #10
     
  2. ReliantTexan

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    Would love smith at 11, my only question is why does he have the titans taking miller? They need linebacker help in the worst way but I don't think Miller is really cut out for a 4-3.
     
  3. bah007

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    I can't put my finger on these QBs. If I were forced to choose one I would take Gabbert. But I think he very well may be the fourth one taken.

    Someone will fall in love with Mallett's arm and take him too early.

    Someone will fall in love with Newton's size and physical nature and take him too early.

    Someone will fall in love with Locker's athleticism and take him too early.

    Nothing really stands out about Gabbert. He is a decent athlete, but not like Newton or Locker. He has a strong arm, but not like Newton or Mallett. He is accurate, but played in a spread system with few downfield throws.

    He is solid, but not great. I would have no problem taking him around 20 or so. But I just don't see how any of these guys have a top 10 grade.

    If I had to bet money I would say that none of these guys will be a pro bowl caliber QB, and only Gabbert has a shot at being a long time starter.
     
  4. hookinreds

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    Because he would fit with the Texans, and that's all Bud needs to know.
     
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    Speaking of Bud and his ass chapping ways...how bent would Fisher be if Bud made them pick up Newton at #8!
     
  6. beerlover

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    and how much does this service cost?

    personally, I would like to see Houston to Houston. no offense to Kiper or McShay :bender:
     
  7. kiwitexansfan

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    I kind of like Andy Dalton, TCU out of this years QB.

    When I've seen him he seems to have good mobility, accuracy and arm strength.

    And he is a proven winner.
     
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    If Amukamara gets to 9, I'd be AWFULLY tempted to move up and grab him.
     


  9. beerlover

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    he would be a perfect fit in Dallas, just looks like a Cowboy. Books not closed on Romo but his turnover ratio is disturbing to say least while Dalton is exceptional protecting the ball. could approach Kitna as a rookie but start 3rd on depth chart, if Romo struggles or gets hurt again he could be the future QB of the Dallas Cowboys.
     
  10. beerlover

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    if Texans select another CB in first I'll puke :koolaid:
     
  11. kiwitexansfan

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    Yeah, not sure why Romo gets so much love, I see him as being a long way from an elite QB.

    What round do you have Dalton pencilled in?

    Looking forward to hearing how he goes at Senior Bowl.
     
  12. HoustonFrog

    HoustonFrog Dallas Frog

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    I'd love to show you guys the rest of the draft but I've been pinged before because I can give the site but since everyone can't access it, it is not allowed. I can only give a synopsis

    With that said here are the links in case you do pay for it

    Kiper

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft1.0

    McShay

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=6036153

    To answer any questions McShay thinks Von Miller is a SAM backer in the 4-3 and an Inside guy in the 3-4. Kiper thinks he can play Titans 4-3 and adjust to game with his athleticism.

    Kiper has Gabbert going to Cards at #5 and McShay has him at #3 to Bills.

    This is from another thread where I posted this but this is really off

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...osselin-Cowboys-quarterback-Tony-Romo-938.ece

     
  13. beerlover

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    depending on team needs, somwhere in second rd. Dallas should have a clear shot.
     
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    top 16 draft teams that could use a QB in the first round:

    Carolina (2-14)
    Buffalo (4-12)
    Arizona (5-11)
    San Francisco (6-10)
    Tennessee (6-10)
    Minnesota (6-10)
    Jacksonville (8-8)

    So you are right, someone will pick them high.
     
  15. ReliantTexan

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    Where do they have Robert Quinn going?
     
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    Kiper #7 to SF

    McShay #6 Cleveland
     
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    This is the first I've heard of this but McShay is saying Von Miller would be great at SAM in a 4-3 or INSIDE in a 3-4. I've always thought of him as an outside 3-4 LB
     
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    Correcto re your analysis of the Kiper pick of Smith - and the answer being I suspect is he doesn't realize there's a difference between a 4-3 & 3-4 OLB.
    And on Aldon Smith, from I'm reading that guy has both huge downside & huge upside. He's very young (red-shirt soph) and has injury history, but is a tremendous athlete with real potential to be special. I've never seen him play and I'm looking forward to the Indy combine to get a first-time look-see at him and his stats, which should be impressive.
     
  19. bah007

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    McShay is and always has been a moron when it comes to player evaluation. The only reason ESPN keeps pushing him is because he was working for Scout Inc. when they purchased it.

    He basically just takes popular opinion of each prospect and where they should go, then slaps it down on a piece of paper, and picks up his paycheck. I can name several guys on this website alone who could give far better analysis than he does if they were given the same resources.
     
  20. Corrosion

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    even with the resources they are limited to ..... :lol:
     

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