Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by DocBar, Apr 26, 2012.
Just some food for thought here.
Not sure what this has to do with last year. It's documented that Phillips gave Smith a list of players he wanted. And Smith drafted 5 of them.
Credit Smith for actually drafting the players. He did move up to take Harris. But it was Phillips' list he was drafting from.
Last years draft was 2011 not 2009.
Don't be starting a thread that hints at Rick Smith being good in the war room ... not here ..... TT won't have any part of that.
Not that I don't believe you, but where is the documented evidence of this? Just curious because things tend to become fact around here after enough people say it...
I agree with the OP. The FO has gotten better at drafting, before Phillips came in and the trend has continued after he came in.
I getcha DB, making the point that it isn't the first time we've drafted well on D.
2009 has turned out to be a good draft, especially when you consider that some people see it as the worst overall draft class of all time (not the Texans' draft class, the draft class as a whole).
Wade definitely made a big contribution last year, but you can't discount that the bulk of the work was done by the scouting team etc with Wade likely picking based on information provided to him.
I also don't know why people are lauding last years draft as some kind of 2006 repeat right now, only 3 of them made any real contribution so far, with potential for more going forward, but we just don't know yet.
You simply have to wait 3 years before beginning to grade a draft, rewind 12 months and I'll give you the general consensus on the 2009 draft -
Cushing - PED pumping rookie season, garbage once he came off the juice
Connor Barwin - reasonable contribution in rookie season, injured sophomore, undecided but with potential
Glover Quin - Poor CB who held the team back
Caldwell - Decent starter about to be beaten out in camp by Briesel
Casey - Can't get ahead of Dreessen on the depth chart, low contribution
McCain - held us back in the worst secondary in football
Troy Nolan - people actually probably rated him higher 12 months ago than they do now.
And yet people already want to grade last years draft as some kind of epic win, I'm quietly confident, but lets wait and see eh?
Year and title are off but damn good draft nonetheless. Let's go Texans!!! Man I'm pumped.
That's very well may be true. Smith all but admitted in his PC and on the 610 interview that he was basically learning on the job. Especially working with other teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong here but are you implying you would rather have a GM who never learns anything about his job?
2009 Draft has turned into a great draft class!
No, I'm not. I'm saying he didn't really know how to run a draft when he got here. On the job training, more or less. Similar to that of our owner, who also admitted he was learning as he went
Well, if Cushing played like garbage last year, I certainly hope he continues to play like garbage. I mean WTF?
Edit: Oh that's right - rewind the last 12 months, doh!
Its everybody. Wade didn't lock Kubiak and Smith in a closet till the draft was over. The Texans are very much into having multiple coaches from both sides of the ball scout players. Wade had more of a plan of attack, and led the players infinitly better than Bush, but he is not 100% responsible for that draft. Thats not the first good draft we have had. Had a few prior to him arriving.
This is what I was saying after last year's draft.
Smith is pretty good at working the draft.
I think a big part of Smith's "problem" in drafts was the coaches he was working with. I think Smith is the kind of GM who sits down with the coordinators and the positional coaches, presents them with lists of guys and what the scouts think, and then creates his board off of what the coaches tell him they want.
I think he got some great feedback from Phillips and the new defensive staff and I think that resulted in a great draft. In previous years, I think he'd gotten some crappy suggestions (especially wrt defensive backs) and that led to him drafting some guys he maybe shouldn't have drafted.
Yeah, see... his point was that 2011 was a great draft. But 2009 was a great draft too and it was before Phillips. So maybe Phillips isn't the only reason we had a good draft in 2011.
Agreed. Bush didn't know his elbow from his *******.
I also think that he will continue to get better the longer he does it. I think he has learned from things he's done in the past and I think this will be a good draft this year because of it.
You would think Rick may watch a little film so that he could be educated on those lists. He** he might even compile a list of his own? (Doubtful)
This post is all kinds of fail.
Since you've got the finger very close to the pulse of the Texans FO office, what are Rick Smith's preparations exactly?
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