Matt Schaub - Have we seen enough?

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  1. dickieb

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    All right guys, I know what you're thinking but since we might not see him in action anymore this year let's just talk it over...

    Is Matt Shaub an improvement from what we have had in the past - Yes.

    Is Matt Schaub the real deal - I don't know.

    What should we do?

    I have questions about him mainly his durability #1 and his arm strength #2. I think injuries happen and I think it mostly bad luck but still makes you wonder. Do you notice he can't really zip a throw in on target with a lot of velocity? He usually has to put a lot of air under his long throws leading to more picks and we have seen inaccuracy issues.

    Is our front office tied to Schaub? I don't know the answer to this but if I remember correctly there is an out in the contract if we act on it this year. I remember something about only 8 mil was guaranteed money.


    So after his first year of play do you think he should stay, or should we try to trade him and get out of his contract and maybe get a draft pick out of it and look for someone else.
     
  2. ATX

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    Maybe we could trade him back to Atlanta for a 1st...
     
  3. austintexanite

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    I think we should keep the guy, he's played well throughout most of the year. Injuries happen.
     
  4. GuerillaBlack

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    Keep Matt Schaub. He has made bad decisions this year and has had some injuries, but he is a keeper.
     
  5. Maddict5

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    we should, will and have to keep him.... [/thread]
     
  6. ObsiWan

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    Who would that someone else be?
    I can hardly believe we're having this conversation. You want to dump a guy that's doing fairly well because he got hurt. Yet you offer no alternative. What you propose is to insert a new guy who has to learn the offense and earn the level of respect that Matt has developed with the team. You may as well throw away the next two seasons if you make that move.
     
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  7. madjack

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    depends on how well sage does imo.....if he does great then see what we can get for matt...chances are we wont get anything great so we will keep him and he will be our starter....we do need to draft a qb at some point to let learn....IMO we should try to get Brady Quinn for the browns....he is riding the pine and anderson looks to be their guy....give them sage and something else for Quinn......
     
  8. Grid

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    Yes he is the real deal, yes we should keep him, yes he is our answer at QB.

    This is his first year starting and he has done tremendously. If a Rookie QB had come in and done what he has done, he would be in the running for the ROY.

    We have seen two weaknesses that he has.

    1) He makes bad decisions sometimes. This has lead to our turnovers (that and a buttload of fumbling). We can fix this by simply giving him more reps, and improving his "comfort zone" in the offense by getting a better run game and offensive line.

    2) He is not durable. He isnt a QB that can take a ton of hits every game. This will most likely be an issue throughout his career, but it isnt something that cant be dealt with. Like his first issue, this can be improved (greatly) by improving our offensive line and running game.

    Trading/benching him would be a huge mistake on our part.


    P.S. there is absolutely nothing wrong with his arms strength. He gets the ball down field very well (look at all the huge touchdowns AJ has had), and his accuracy is very good. No he wont be throwing 15 yard passes that appear to teleport from his hand to the receivers hands (before promptly bouncing out and triggering a tip drill), but he has enough power behind his throws to thread a ball between defenders.. hes done it numerous times this year.
     


  9. Ckw

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    He's twice the QB Carr is but half the tough guy Carr is.
     
  10. adam

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    The only reservation I have with this is; who's going to fill in for him? Let's face facts, Schaub hasn't played very well. Granted, he is basically a rookie, but he is still making dumb passes and as dickie pointed out, he doesn't have a lot of arm strength. With all of that said, is there an adequate replacement for him? I'm not willing to count on Rosenfels for an entire season. Pennington may be open, but he would really just be an older version of Schaub (injury prone, sub-par arm strength). Cleo Lemon will be an UFA next season. WOOO! Or, perhaps we should get Carr back? He'll definitely be open next season. Who's down for that homecoming? I didn't think so. The idea that we could trade him to a team with QB issues and a high 1st round draft pick is enticing, but do we really want to go through another season of mediocrity at the QB position?

    I've said it before, I'll reiterate now; Schaub is probably not the future of this football team. With that said, he is the present. I say we give him (and Kubiak) another season to work with. At the end of next season, we'll have a better idea of what Schaub and Kubes is made of. For the time being, let's just finish the season and see what we can accomplish in the off-season.
     
  11. TEXANRED

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    New guy, same number (8) same reults (losing). He might end up with more passing yards than Carr but he is 9 TD's and 9 INT's thus far. We have the best reciever in football and all Schaub has is 9 TD's?

    Schaub is an upgrade of Carr, but a Ford Escort is also an upgrade over a Ugo.
     
  12. ATX

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    dude, have you seen the new Yugos?

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  13. TexansSeminole

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    Schaub is a good QB. Like I said in another thread everybody gets injured.

    Things could be alot better next year for Schaub. His receivers will have more experience, hopefully they can remain healthy. Maybe we will have some new offensive lineman and some new running backs would be nice.

    He got some pretty good experience this year. Started 11 games. Played what, 8 or 9 all the way through? I am assuming he is done for the year.

    Schaub's stats for the year:

    192/289 66.4% 2,241 yards 7.8 yards/attempt 9 TD 9 INT 16 sacks 7 fumble 3 lost. 87.2 Rating. 11 games played.

    He made some clear mistakes, but did a hell of alot of good things to go with that. Schaub is one of the main reasons that some people can call our WR corps strong, or somewhat strong. He gets the pass out quickly. Doesn't get sacked very often despite his offensive line busting protection quite often.

    I'd also like to add that he had eight 200 yard passing games. Started the season with 6 of them in a row.
     
  14. Grid

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    :shocked

    Lets face facts? Making dumb passes? He has a 66.7% accuracy rating. Thats 8th in the league. Yah our turnover stats are horrible..but he has 9 interceptions and 9 touchdowns.. and he would have ALOT more touchdowns if he hadnt lost Andre Johnson for half the season and we didnt have a subpar running game and offensive line. The bulk of our turnovers are the 15 fumbles we gave up...

    And where is this arm strength thing coming from? The "lack of arm strength" rumor was something that was spread around before anyone had actually seen him play for any length of time. So far this year.. ive seen him thread the ball through defenders and make great throws deep down the field. There is nothing wrong with his arm strength.. he just needs more reps.

    You shouldnt have said "lets face facts" you should have said "lets force you to listen to my bad opinions"
     
  15. TEXANRED

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    So you only watched 5 games this season? Do you really think that makes you qualified to say how Schaub has performed?
     
  17. TEXANRED

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    Are you?

    But I am entitled to my opinions.
     
  18. Grid

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    Yes you are.. and by posting them here you submit your opinions for others to pick at.

    I dont understand how you can say "We have the best wide receiver in football to throw to and he only has 9 TDs" when AJ missed 7 games this year.
     
  19. TEXANRED

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    B/C of those 9 TD's that Matt has thrown 5 are to the guy who missed 7 games.
     
  20. Grid

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    Exactly.. so if we spread that out to the 7 games AJ missed.. we can say (from a statistical point of view) that if AJ hadnt gone down for 7 games, Schaub would have 16 TDs.
     

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