Maiocco: Texans #14 in 5-year draft rankings

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  1. Section516

    Section516 Warrior

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    14. HOUSTON TEXANS
    Number of picks: 38
    Still on team: 29
    Starters: 11
    Best pick: DE Mario Williams, 2006
    Worst pick: OT Charles Spencer, 2006
    Overall: The Texans have gotten good production from the top of their draft classes. But it hasn't all gone perfectly, either. Left tackle Duane Brown and linebacker Brian Cushing, first-round picks in 2008 and '09, played very well, but were subsequently suspended for violating the league's policy on performance-enhancing substances. The team went against conventional wisdom to select Williams over Reggie Bush. In hindsight, Williams was clearly the right call. Williams and linebacker DeMeco Ryans, chosen in the second round, have been to two Pro Bowls apiece. Half of their starters have come through the past five drafts, but it hasn't been good enough to get the Texans to the playoffs.

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/04/04/11/...landing_maiocco_v3&blockID=496960&feedID=5936
     
  2. utahmark

    utahmark markbeth

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    Is'nt Charles Spencer the guy we took in the third round that looked to be the answer at lt tackle before he got injured? Can't see how that could be our worst pick.
     
  3. jaayteetx

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    Ya, I would have to say the worst "pick" is all the TE's they can't seem to get enough of.
     
  4. infantrycak

    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

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    Having Spencer as the worst pick is idiotic.
     
  5. Ole Miss Texan

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    I disagree, respectfully of course. We should have selected a player that Dayne would not have injured.


    /sarcasm
     
  6. Dutchrudder

    Dutchrudder COOL BEANS!

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    Amobi Okoye should be the worst pick over the last 5 years if you consider the value of the pick versus the return.
     
  7. ArlingtonTexan

    ArlingtonTexan Moderator Staff Member

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    Given his notes, he just using the simple metrics pro bowls, starts, game played, and still on the roster. Spencer, by those measures, is the worst pick. This is probably why using such a largely objective measure of a draft is faulty. I would even think the UDFAs like foster are outside of the study.

    That said, the fact that Texans are somewhere around mid-point i.e. average or mediocore, is not surprising.
     
  8. hot pickle

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    um travis johnson is by far the worst pick
     


  9. Double Barrel

    Double Barrel Modified Simian

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    QFT. He should have been a third round pick based on his career to this point.
     
  10. ChampionTexan

    ChampionTexan Site Contributor

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    Travis Johnson was selected in 2005. The period being ranked is from 2006 - 2010.
     
  11. thetexanator

    thetexanator All Pro

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    Bennie Joppru. ugh!
     
  12. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    Anthony Hill is getting up there on my list of worst picks. He was chosen to be the blocking TE to replace Mark Bruener and he spends his Sundays inactive and watching the game like we do. Added to the plethora of TEs they've selected (and sometimes converted), that pick isn't making a ton of sense to me.

    But by far, my choice for worst pick is Antwaun Molden - maybe of all time. How bad a CB are you that you can't get on the field when the people ahead of you suck as bad as they did last year? How bad a CB are you that the team would rather go out and sign someone's cut-list leftovers to play ahead of you rather than let you see the field? And he was a 3rd round pick! Third rounders shouldn't necessarily become Pro Bowlers, but they ought to become starters at some point. Kubiak really screwed the pooch on that pick.
     
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    the metrics he uses in this case, still on the active roster, may be more meaningless for Texans because they never see the field but yet remain on the roster for god knows whatever reason? see Xavier Adibi, Anthony Hill, Antwaun Molden, Kasey Studdard & Dominique Barber. remove those underachievers & the Texans would fall into the bottom half where they belong.
     
  14. Sway

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    I must say that I agree... Although we seem to have a curse! They seem great their first year, then go to $HIT and make poor decisions... ugh. With Okoye I kept hoping for more, but I think he's ready for the fork.
     
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    Kareem Jackson. :runaway:
     
  16. IBleedTexans

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    Kareem has had one year , there's no way you can call him a bust dude.
     
  17. TEXANRED

    TEXANRED Texan-American

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    Lets compare:

    Casserly's last draft:
    Mario Williams Pro bowler, could be a HOF'er
    DeMeco Ryans Pro bowler, the Rock in the middle
    Charles Spencer Victimized by Ron Dayne running for a Hotdog
    Eric Winston Should be a pro-bowler, Rock at RT
    Owen Danials Pro bowler, One of the top TE's in the league when healthy
    Wali Lundy 6th round pick
    David Anderson Solid #4 Receiver, future Texans Radio announcer


    Dip, er, Rick Smith's draft:

    2007:
    Okoye - bust
    Jones - inconsistent, can't hold his liquor, mama's boy
    Bennet - bust
    Harrison - who?
    Frye - who?
    Studdard - Parties naked with VY
    Diles - has achieved Greenwood stature

    2008:
    Duane Brown - I would rate him the last 1/3 of the 32 starting LT
    Molden - Never could stay healthy
    Slaton - one and done
    Adibi - average LB at best
    Okam - Who?
    Barber - The best SS we have ever drafted.
    Brink - Who?

    2009:
    Cushing - Above average, had good 1st year, 2nd started suspended and moved to MLB then back again
    Barwin - Situational, project, rehab, who know's
    Caldwell - ???????
    Quin - Our best CB cost us 3 games last year
    Hill - Hurt
    Casey - older, getting older, can't seem to sniff the field
    McCain - He's really fast which means he F's up twice as fast as anyone else on the team
    Nolan - The best FS we have ever drafted

    2010:
    Jackson - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, fall down. Faggins thinks this guy sucks
    Tate - Hurt, anyone else seeing a trend?
    Mitchell - Who?
    Sharpton - Depth
    Graham - Who?
    McManis - A lesser McCain
    Smith - Who?
    Holliday - Anderson's replacement
    Dickerson - Who?

    It took Casserly 5 drafts to get it right so this is your chance Rick.
     
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  18. Hagar

    Hagar Drink up yall, its the Texans!

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    I look at this stat and I thought to myself, "Wow, we must be pretty good at picking starters!", then I thought, "how come we suck?" Given this train of thought, I looked at the teams who have drafted the most starters and thier asigned rankings:

    10 starters: 21. OAKLAND RAIDERS; 30. CINCINNATI BENGALS

    11 starters: 1. GREEN BAY PACKERS; 7. MINNESOTA VIKINGS; 14. HOUSTON TEXANS; 17. TENNESSEE TITANS;

    12 starters: SAN FRANSISCO 49ERS;

    13 starters: CAROLINA PANTHERS;

    One of the things I noticed is that, other then Green Bay, these teams suck. So is building through the draft really the right way produce a winning franchise? I always thought Pittsburgh was a model for building through the draft, but they only have 6 starters. Other prominant teams that don't appear to build through the draft are the Patriouts (7), Giants (6) and the Cowboys(3).

    The next question that popped into my head was "How many of our starters would be starters on another team?"

    Ok, so we'll call him a half a bust ~ he's just a Buh'.
     
  19. Ole Miss Texan

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    Offense:
    1. QB Ben Roethlisberger
    2. RB Rashard Mendenhall
    3. WR Mike Wallace
    4. WR Hines Ward
    5. FB David Johnson
    6. C Maurkice Pouncey
    7. G Chris Kemoeatu
    8. TE Heath Miller

    Defense:
    9. DE Ziggy Hood
    10. NT Casey Hampton
    11. DE Brett Keisel
    12. LB Lawrence Timmons
    13. LB James Harrison
    14. LB Lamarr Woodley
    15. CB Ike Taylor
    16. CB Bryant McFadden
    17. S Troy Polomalu

    8/11 starters on Offense were drafted by the Steelers.
    9/11 starters on Defense were drafted by the Steelers.

    Now I know not all of them have been drafted in the last 5 years but that's not what makes a team. The Steelers are a perfect example of being able to build through the draft to find longterm success.
     
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  20. infantrycak

    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

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    This article gives something of a false impression listing only starters from the past 5 drafts. Pittsburgh has 8 starters on offense alone that they drafted and a 9th that was signed by them as an UDFA. So only 2 free agent acquisitions on O - the two OT's and neither expensive by the way.

    The Cowboys have 3 drafted starters on offense but they also have 3 UDFA's who start for them.
     

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