Looking Back: Scouting reports on T.J. Yates

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Waterboy

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    Hey guys. I come in peace.

    I'm a Draft analyst for Universal Draft and the South Florida Sun Sentinel. I post a lot of work in those two places as well as various Miami Dolphins-based websites such as Finheaven.com, ThePhins.com and FinsNation.com. Last year with the South Florida Sun Sentinel we did several QB profiles on guys like Cam Newton, Christian Ponder, Ryan Mallett, etc. They got some national publicity from people like Peter King, Dan Patrick, Michael Lombardi, etc. I even ended up on the NFL Network discussing one of them.

    I just thought I'd share with you this look back at two scouting reports on T.J. Yates that I wrote back in December 2010 and March 2011. You might find them informative, or not. I know that there's got to be this sense that Yates kind of came out of nowhere, in the sense that it seems like nobody believed in him prior to the Draft. Certainly he never got any respect on the boards of guys like Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, or even Chad Reuter/Rob Rang or Wes Bunting.

    I don't believe quarterbacks come from nowhere. Guys that truly come from nowhere and never had anyone pounding the table for them, they are in my opinion usually just flash in the pan guys. That's why I'm posting this for you guys...to show you that some people DID see franchise quarterback potential in T.J. Yates and have been talking about it for over a year. I see recently that the Bengals claim that if they missed out on Andy Dalton, Yates would have probably been the guy they target. Bill Polian claims they had Yates targeted but the Texans took him before they could.

    http://www.universaldraft.com/2011/12/11/a-look-back-qb-t-j-yates-of-north-carolina/

    I'm not trying to hawk traffic. I'd like to post the full text of the article right here in the thread but character limits are preventing me from doing so...so instead I'll post some excerpts...

    And here's a video I created on Yates last year.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vRZG9ntgc

    Enjoy.
     
  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Waterboy

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    Something I alluded to in one of my pre-Draft reports, and described in more detail in other pre-Draft writings on Yates, is the speed of his release.

    I time releases. I have video software that helps me do it. It's not an exact science. You have to make some decisions about which throws you're going to isolate to time, as there are different kinds of throws and each type of throw will carry it's own unique release. I try and isolate about a dozen for each prospect throws that I feel are uniform in type and distance.

    While it's easy to decide when to STOP the timer (ball is off the hand), it's tough to decide when to start the timer. That is what led me to create two release times for every prospect. There's a wind-up release measurement (which tends to take less time) and a lead-foot release measurement (which tends to take more time).

    T.J. Yates' average lead-foot total release neasurement was by far the fastest in last year's Draft. By a long shot. There were good, quick releases, and then there was T.J. Yates.

    This can be a big deal. Normal quarterbacks have about a 0.45 to 0.50 second release time. A guy like Colin Kaepernick who had a notoriously slow release ends up more in the 0.55 to 0.65 range. And then you've got T.J. Yates punching the ball out there with the quickness of a professional boxer at about 0.25 to 0.35 seconds.

    At the speed that defensive backs close on the football, especially the ones with good closing speed, a mere two tenths of a second shaved off your release can translate to 4 to 6 extra feet of separation. That can be the difference between a caught ball and an interception. It can be the difference between catching the ball and being tackled immediately, or catching the ball and gaining 20 yards after the catch. It can be the difference between a touchdown in the tight red area, or kicking a field goal.

    Just one of the tools in Yates' tool box. He uses it well. Look at that touchdown he threw to Joel Dreessen in the Falcons game. That doesn't happen without that quick release.
     
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  3. ArlingtonTexan

    ArlingtonTexan Moderator Staff Member

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    :goodpost:

    Thanks for sharing. We have college football draft section on this site. I am sure that those guys would appreciate any contribution and information about some of your methodogy. Look forward to seeing more.
     
  4. Playoffs

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    Good stuff.

    I'd be interested to see where you had Dalton's release?

    Not sure I saw it in college, but I've seen some wicked quick decision/release times from Andy in the NFL -- Marino-esque.
     
  5. b0ng

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    You're from finheaven I've seen your posts. Good call on Yates, I personally did not think he was going to even passable as an NFL QB, especially in his first year.
     
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    One of the more surprising and really remarkable stats on Yates is that he's not just a multi-year starter in college, not just a 3 year atarter, but a 4-year starter at North Carolina. And he's a QB. When is the last time you've heard of a 4-year starting QB in college, and a major college conference at that ? OK NC isn't the SEC, but it's the ACC which is major-league in college football last time I checked ?
     
  7. thunderkyss

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    Wow, I was already feeling good & optimistic about Tj Yates... now I think I'm in love.

    :cow:
     
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    thanks for sharing... especially the video links.
     


  9. Brisco_County

    Brisco_County Texans worthy

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    Thanks for posting. I agree that Yates has more upside due to his quick release and footwork. And for the Texans, one of his best attributes was his knowledge of the framework of the offense. It's like our karmic reward from the football gods for sacrificing so many players to them.

    But because of the raw abilities, I do think he is our QB of the future.

    And Mel Kiper is like the Charley Casserly of draft gurus. When was the last time he was right about anything?
     
  10. CloakNNNdagger

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    Welcome to the board. Nice post.

    As TJ continues to gain additional experience and progresses as expected, your analyses could very well also end up reading as an NFL EPILOGUE for this young man.
     
  11. beerlover

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    Really interesting stuff man. Could you tell us how Yates release time compares to say Aaron Rodgers? Sure seems to me this is Aaron Rodgers biggest asset in his toolbox, if so says only good things for Yates moving forward :)
     
  12. drs23

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    Great read. Thanks for posting. For some reason I feel even better going forward.

    TJ, TJ, TJ :texflag:
     
  13. Rey

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    Excellent information. Great posts. Need to digest.
     
  14. GuerillaBlack

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    A lot of the things I'm reading in the article have already come true. I'm really starting to believe that TJ Yates is truly legit, and will be our franchise QB sooner than most think...
     
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    Great stuff.

    Many of us were surprised when Yates was drafted. Most of us hadn't expected a QB to be taken, let alone that early in the draft.

    There was a lot of confusing stuff out there. Some guys liked him, some guys didn't. Some people said he had poor arm strength and other flaws.

    But when I looked at some of his plays, I really liked what I saw. Except for what looked like a low release point, I liked the quickness of his release and the zip on his ball. I didn't see the arm strength issues some people had claimed.

    Most of us, after a bit of reflection, ended up liking the pick.

    Right now, he's looking really solid in this offense. I think he ended up in the perfect place for him.
     
  16. False Start

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    Thanks a lot for this. Great reading all these good things about TJ. The last TJ we had was a waste of space, I have feeling this TJ will be a great player for years to come! :texflag:
     
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    Thank you for excellent post. I look forward to your sharing info of college football players at our draft section on this site in the future.
     
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    I'm pretty sure every Texans fan can agree with that!!!
     

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