Let's Help Reeves and McNair.

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  1. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    Alrighty then, let's play SimNFLConsultant. Texans are reknown for their hospitality, so let's give Consultant Reeves a hand.:texflag:

    Many of you here have seen every snap the Texans have played. (sometimes repeatedly). And paid attention to every draft, every trade. Seen the good, bad and the ugly.

    I know stuff is all over the MB on this, but maybe this is a good place to consolidate it.

    This, as McNair stated is Reeves' job:

    “His role will be as a resource as we evaluate all that we’re doing going forward. I view all of the senior people in our organization as resources. Everyone is there to help each other. Just as Charley is a resource to me, just as Dom is a resource to me and others in the organization are resources, Dan is a resource.

    “He is not here to interview for a coaching job. He is not here to evaluate the general manager. He’s here as a resource to assist me going forward and he’s here to assist other people in the organization to help us become a better team.”


    Consultant Reeves stated:

    “I have respect for the job that Dom has to do and I have respect for the job that Charley has to do. I want to be an asset. I don’t want to be a threat. For Bob to call, I was flattered. I’m excited about the opportunity here and I just hope I can be a great resource.

    “It’s the most difficult thing in the world to start a franchise from scratch. It’s tough enough even when you’re an established team to be a winning team year in and year out. I’ve seen the progress that they’ve made and I’ve admired it from afar. I know this season has been a disappointment for everybody but I’ve been in that situation before. You’re making plays that are costing you games instead of making plays that are winning you games.”

    “As far as the players, I’ll be here and I’ll more or less observe them,” he said. “I’ll probably be relating more to the coaches and talking to Charley and his scouts, just trying to get a feel for how they do things. This is a total new deal for me. I’ve never done it. I don’t have any experience with it. We’ll see where it leads.”





    OK, Reeves has never acted as a consultant, so lets give him our help. Legitimately. Without making the jokes that tend to write themselves this year, or rimshot one sentence draft Bush comments.

    How would you evaluate what we have done in the past and where we should go on a point forward basis? What is it that the Texans do well and what is it that they don't do well?

    Taking this press conference at its word as being a legitimate consulting gig, what is it that you would advise Mr. McNair is working and not working and why, and how would you fix it in a real world, practical, feasible way? Identify both problems and real world solutions, use facts and statistics liberally, and try to avoid generalizations and hyperbole.

    Let's be yet another "resource" for the Texans and as people who have watched many games, give some assistance to the team.

    Big ups in advance to everyone who makes a solid contribution to this thread. :texflag:
     
  2. swtbound07

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    i would think that the first items on Reeve's agenda will be to evaluate the current talent situation, and in particular evaluate david carr as the quarterback, then try to evaluate the best possible thing for the team heading into the future while still trying to take into account the cap considerations of a team with several large contracts.

    I think you have to take a look at the Texan's draft history, and grade it out at a C or B, depending on where you fall on the charles hill and bennie joppru picks. Reeves will need to figure out what the primary needs are going into this offseason and the next offseason, and how best to proceed, be it draft or free agency.
     
  3. Grid

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    EDIT* nevermind..i got nothing.

    I think Kaiser Toro did a good job explaining what I was trying to say.
     
  4. Kaiser Toro

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    You have to think that Reeves already has a notion of what he thinks of coaches and personnel by him watching some games prior to the hiring. Now that he is in role he will start to get granular with those initial takes via practice, interviews and film sessions.

    We have a number of coaches who are looking at other jobs. I would imagine he will be getting his finger on the pulse of who wants to stay, who wants to go and who the players would like to see back.

    He will look at game preparation through each week by unit, coach and player.

    He will look at the percieved leaders of this team and potential leaders waiting in the wings.

    He will start breaking down our LBs and DLine to see who could make the switch to the 4-3 next year.

    And then there is DC and the Oline. I trust Reeves will make correct observations on DC's value to the Texans.
     
  5. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    Yeah, I think that is what Reeves will do. Nice synopsis.

    I guess my question is, and there are all sorts of people who have opinions here, what would YOUR opinions be on all things Texans given what you know about the team.

    I have some idears, but generally speaking, even as an bizarrely avid fan of the team, I have to say I'm not sure exactly how this team got this bad this fast, and how this dreadful of a season happened, and how we are gonna snap out of it.

    For me, it is easier to identify problem areas of the team, but harder to formulate answers to those problems given the constraints of the salary cap and the difficulty of a newish team. For example, I think our team doesn't have enough experienced, very successful leaders on it. Guys that can help other players get used to the league. It is one thing to have coaches tell you something and it is another to see another player show you something or tell you something after they have had success. Those kinda guys matter, but those guys are hard to attract to a young team.

    This is just one example.

    I am gonna add my thoughts to the thread after I cogitate on it some more but I figure that there are a lot of things non-working with the team, but maybe someone can add some insight.
     
  6. CajunTexan

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    Chick...I don't know about insight, but....
    IMO, the problems, on the field, start at the "core" of the team, in the trenches, on both sides of the ball.

    In four years,we have never established an overall effective offensive line. Yes, DD has done well at times and looks very good of late, and in 2003 Carr was only sacked, what, 14 times? But overall, it has not been consistant. I really believe you could take the '92 Cowboys skilled position players (Troy, Emmitt, Michael, Jay, Alvin and even Moose) with our OL and it would not work!

    Our skill guys on offensive:
    DD has overachieved, IMO, coming in as 4th rounder figuring to be a third down back. I still have concerns about his durability and the fact he can not dominate a game.

    Carr has underachieved, for a number 1 pick. We have found out he is not the second coming of Brett Favre, but can he still be the second coming of a Troy Aikman, meaning a guy who might not be able to "carry" a team, but one surrounded with the right talent can take us on a playoff run???!!!! Maybe Mr. Reeves is qualified to make that call.

    AJ has underachieved, although the most talented of the lot, he is still not polished as a reciever. Case in point, did you see the Indy game against Jacksonville and the "totally sick" double move that Marvin Harrison put on the db that left him WWWIIIDDDEEE open for the TD!!?? I'm not sold AJ can run routes like that.

    The "tinkering" with the offense over the off season, to quicker drops shorter routes, was admitting defeat instead of addressing the issue of poor pass protection and playing to the strengths of your skill position players.

    On the defensive side, your point about not having veteran leadership is well taken on this side of the ball. Look what losing (or is it loosing?) Sharper and Glenn meant to this squad.

    To my original point about the trenches, I have never been a big fan of the 3-4 to begin with, but whether a 3-4 or a 4-3, your front seven have to make plays and we do not. Throw in a secondary with Dunta, for the most part by his lonesome, and well, you have seen the results.

    IMO, on defense, you have to be, to use a baseball anallagy (sic), "strong up the middle." A stud at tackle, a Leroy Glover type, a stud at LB, a Ray Lewis type, and a stud safety, a Roy Williams type.

    In the front office, it is apparent Casserly has made mistakes and covered up for them by dropping the "you haven't been in the NFL for 20 years" card on Mr. McNair, and until today, has gotten away with it.

    Coaches...Dom is a good man, but did any of us really believe he was going to be anything other than be the man to begin building the franchise, as he did in Carolina?

    I'm not as sold on Dan Reeves as Toro is but Mr. McNair knew SOMETHING had to be done, so he did something. I applaud him for that.

    Well Chick, I don't think I uncovered the Holy Grail, or spelled it correctly, but those are some of what I see.

    Can a brother get a spell check up in here???:cool:
     
  7. eriadoc

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    First thing is the obvious - pass protection and offensive line coaching/scheme/assignments. Try to figure out how much of the problem is due to missed assignments, poor technique, or lack of strength/conditioning. Then determine how much of that falls on the current coaching staff. Determine if the current scheme is appropriate for the personnel we have (or vice versa). Based on much of that information, determine how much of a talent void we have on the offensive line and draft a plan to address that void. The offensive line has been this team's Achilles Heel since Year One and it needs to be fixed.

    After that, sticking with offense, decide what to do about Carr, Gaffney, and Armstrong. All three are free agents of one nature or another and can play valuable roles on this team. If it were my decision to make, based on the games I've seen (all of them, repeatedly at times), I'd say pick up the option. Carr can be a contributor, given better protection, but even more importantly, you're not prepared to put a developmental QB behind the current line anyway. So fix the line in this off-season and evaluate Carr for one more year. In the meantime, sign a free agent QB to compete for the starting gig. I would prefer someone like Matt Schaub, but Billy Volek might be a decent short-term option, or maybe Kitna, etc. Considering the money the team would pay for a QB like Leinart, it's just not worth it to address that need until you have the foundation in place (the line). Gaffney and Armstrong can be solid #2 WR-type guys. Neither are going to wow you, but both catch very well and there are plenty of teams with worse options at #2. Quick, who did the Cowboys have as their #2 WR after Alvin Harper went to TB? Who was across from Marvin Harrison prior to Reggie Wayne? Just examples. You could hope to sign a free agent WR like Reggie Wayne, but the money would be better spent elsewhere at this stage. Possibly someone like Steve Hutchinson (G, SEA) or maybe on defense.

    On defense, go through the same process, determining how much of the problem is Fangio's version of the 3-4 and how much is personnel (talent, scheme fit, etc). Also, offensively and defensively, evaluate position coaching effectiveness. Hoke's done a fine job with Dunta Robinson, Coleman had a good year his first year switch to safety, McCree, Sanders, and Faggins have all performed well for what they were. But this year has seen a drop-off. How much of that is on his shoulders? Just an example - I think Hoke is one of our better coaches.

    Once you have all this information, you can plan your draft accordingly. The first round pick will get lots of attention, but it's rounds 2-5 that really make or break a team. Do we draft a TE? What is Wong's situation and do we draft a LB? Is McKinney in this team's future plans? If not, draft a center to compete with Hodgdon, or maybe look to free agency. This team's payroll is not that small, so it's easy to say look to free agency for things, but revenue may be down next year and McNair's not gotten a fair return on investment to this point, performance-wise. So he may be a bit more hesitant to pull the trigger on certain deals.

    Anyway, those are just a few of the things off the top of my head that I'd expect to be looked into.
     
  8. Scooter

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    honestly, i think the decisions have already been made. it's my opinion that reeves is just here as justification for the pink slips and advice on future acquisitions in the chain of command. for opinions in that regard it's easy to dig up posts on who should replace capers, casserly, & the crew.
     
  9. Ranger

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    I don't think Reeve comes in here and grades every player and tells the Texans who to draft or who to sign........I think its a more of how the teams acts.

    I mean, if you were on a 1-12 football team, what would you do? What you start thinking about offseason vacation? What to do for Christams? Or would you still play your heart out, show up in the Film Room early for extra film sessions and give everything on every snap at practice? I think thats what Reeve is here to do. Serperate the Boys from the men. Not go out and say......well DD is good, but not great. You need Reggie Bush. Or go out and do everything you can to sign Regie Wayne. No, hes not here for that. He is here to find it is the the coaching that is keeping the players from their true potential, just the overall talent level of this football team, or does the team players even care? Thats what Reeves job here is to do.
     
  10. rockabilly

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    I beleive we are too young on both sides of the ball. Without veteran leadership, it is hard for rookies to progress because they lack that mentor-in-the-game-partner knowledge that coaches cant give.

    I beleive that getting rid of Glenn and Sharper on defense and starting mere rookies is a big reason as to why our defense has slipped from a top defense to where it is now.

    So I say we need to bring in more vetern leadership on both sides of the ball (although more so on defense).
     
  11. WWJD

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    He's not even going to move to Houston. It's going to be hard to judge if the players care from Atlanta. I think Mr. McNair is doing this to prepare for something in the future perhaps with Coach Reeves but this year is lost already. Interestingly enough Mr. McNair mentioned David's extension coming up in March. I'm paraphrasing but I think he said decisions have to be made regarding that although he had confidence in David. I'll read between the lines and guess he's not completely sold on paying David the $8 million right now and has to think about and "consult" with others about it.

    I think this offseason will be much better and much more interesting than the season has been.
     
  12. Kaiser Toro

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    Some names we might see if Reeves helps in hiring our new staff (these are guys that have a connection with Reeves):
    Kubiak, only played for Reeves
    Wade Phillips, DC in Denver and Atlanta
    Alex Gibbs, first job in NFL was due to Reeves hiring him in 1984
    Chan Gailey, assistant coach in Denver
    Ron Meek, current Indy DC, was in Atlanta
     
  13. CajunTexan

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    Kubiak...maybe. I just can not figure out why he has not had a shot yet???
    Ron Meek...hmmmm, how long has he been in Indy? Is he the man behind the turnaround in that D?
    The rest you can keep.
     
  14. Texans_Chick

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    You sound like you've worked in a Fortune 500 company. Cuz that is what consultants means to business folk. Job cuts and good pub to the potential shareholders. :(

    Some thoughts on various things in this thread.

    Stepping out of the cynics view, I think one issue is that because the FA market was not the same as it was when the Panthers first came into existence and were able to get a lot of vets, the decision was made to get mostly young players and build for the longer term. After the performance of Season 3, a decision was made to kick the training wheels off by dumping salary of some of the older players for salary cap reasons. And then, exacerbating this by trying out a bunch of players in positions they hadn't played before.

    And we weren't ready to kick off the training wheels obviously. Young, inexperienced and then injured isn't most folks' idea for a successful NFL team.

    I know there is a pro-Hoke point of view in this thread, but I am still unsold on that. If they took a flyer on Pbuc thinking he could be coached up, I am thinking there was some bigtime assistant coach wishful thinking in that decision. The injuries and early season lack of a pass rush makes evaluating the DBs difficult tho.

    And once again the schedule makers did us no favors by scheduling the toughest games at the beginning of the season and the easy games at the end. Hard to tell what is due to competition and what is due to players getting used to playing together.

    BTW, some of dem Reeves cronies are some good names.

    There is something to the shorthand that coaches have with assistants that they have worked with before. They can spend their time working on team stuff instead of trying to learn how to communicate with each other the best way. You can't get entire staffs with the superstud coaches, but you can get some key names and hopefully you get coaches that have similar philosophies. (Capers/Palmer was prolly not a good match for the franchise, for example).
     
  15. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    Really????

    I'd take that old Alex Gibbs if he would have us.

    Beggars not be able to be the choosers thing doesn't help much.
     
  16. eriadoc

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    I'm assuming my opinion was the one you took as pro-Hoke. I actually agree with you here. There have been positive indicators about Hoke, as well as negative ones. I think Hoke is one of our better coaches, but right about now, that might be the equivalent of being the best-behaved child in detention. To me, everything is up for evaluation. I think McNair realizes that and I believe Reeves is a good man for the job. I am very encouraged by today's move.
     
  17. HeartofHouston

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    1 - Make sure that Dom Capers isnt wearing a Texan's Ball Cap next year.

    2 - Get on the phone.. press the 10 numbers that will connect you to Greg Kubiak and Mike Singletary.. and tell them they have jobs here in Houston.

    3 - Re-evaluate your players from 1st overall in 2002 all the way to last pick in 2005. And all free agents in between. On Defense get us switched to the 4-3 defense ASAP. (4-3 Defenses Help stop the run and provide a better pass rush without the blitz, if we cant stop the run we cant win games)..

    4 - When the draft comes around think about it logically.. is 1 man enough to turn this team around.. or do we need to go for quanity because of the lack of talent and skill all around the board.. do you pick Bush? Do You Trade Down? Kubiak has a history of turning any Tom, Dick and Harry into a 1,000 yrd rusher. Do you HAVE to pick up Bush for that? or if Domanick Davis enough??

    5 - If you trade down, evaluate the talent properly so that the extra picks that we pick up make an impact.

    6 - Defense Wins Championships... Offense puts fans in the seat BUT so does championships :o) Remember that.

    7 - Make sure that this team somebody on each side of the ball that makes the players around them better.. ie..

    (Peppers - Panthers, Harrison - Patriots, Abraham/Vilma - Jets, Lewis/Reed - Ravens, June - Colts, Peterson/Stroud/Henderson - Jags, Williams - Broncos, Williams - Cowboys, Strahan - Giants, Dawkins - Eagles, Porter - Steelers, C. Johnson - Bengals, Bettis - Steelers.. etc)

    Somebody who knows how to rattle everybody's cage in a positive intensifing way.. Somebody who when everybody is dragging butt on the field someone to get in their face and mix it up and get their blood pumping.. I see flashes of that from Antwan Peek and Dunta Robinson.. lets get some wins behind us.. and it makes it that much easier to get everybody's blood pumping with that Special Guy..

    8 - DRAFT INTELLIGENTLY...

    9 - I'd perfer to solidify a line through Free Agents because of the experience and the knowledge that Veterans bring to the table. But however you feel is best then that's what you should go with. But WE NEED A O-LINE UPGRADE..

    10 - Keep the players motivated.. Keep the players aware that, there will be no more paychecks for people that drag butt on the field..
     
  18. eriadoc

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    Kubiak has turned down at least three HC jobs and declined to interview for more, as recently as 1998-2000. It was reported in the Denver Business Journal that he did not consider himself ready for a HC position at that time. Quite understandably, he was a hot commodity after the '98 season (Super Bowl win), and was for a coulpe years after that. The talk has cooled somewhat, but his name still surfaces from time to time. He has a very good resume and between what he did for Brian Griese (Griese's only Pro Bowl year came under Kubiak's tutelage) and now Jake Plummer, I think he has a chance to turn Carr back into what he was supposed to be coming out of college. Kubiak also worked with Steve Young and, while you have to think much of Young's results were his own talent, that was the year that the 49ers went to the Super Bowl. It might have been the year that Young posted the passer rating record, not sure about that.

    Anyway, after reading over some old news articles (modern day microfiche LOL), I kind of get the impression that Kubiak is a little choosy with how he continues his career. That doesn't bother me in the least. People who have a great desire to be successful tend to pick and choose their spots.
     
  19. Scooter

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    that's all it is. mcnair is using reeves as validation for cleaning house and an insider's perspective on who to replace the outgoing personnel with. mcnair's learning the correlation between big business and football and would like someone in his back pocket to reinforce his decisions as he takes a more hands on role. what this says to me though is that we can expect a pretty extensive revamp of the coaching staff, and also that casserly isnt as likely to be around as many think. everyone knows capers + crew is gone, what reeves does is convey the talent evaluation whichever way mcnair sees fit and that likely alleviates casserly of duty.

    guessing on which players we keep is wholly useless because it'll depend entirely on the next coaching staff. what i would like to see personally though is Kubiak getting his shot. the other coaching positions also depend on who's hired for the top job so that's purely speculation. something to consider however is if i'm right about casserly, is that guys like jimmy johnson or ron wolf are thinking about coming out of retirement and mcnair has already started discussions behind the scenes. maybe wishful thinking, maybe not ... we'll see within the next couple of months.

    also, hopefully without derailing the topic too far ... kubiak has turned down more offers than many current head coaches have taken. as stated in several reports by himself, players, NFL personnel, the media, etc ... he's had the opportunities to run teams and declined them because he was in such a great position that he had that option. it's my opinion that the texans give him the opportunity that he's looking for.
     
  20. Texan in Japan

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    Reeves is McNair's honest broker. He gives McNair a headstart on prep for free agency and the draft by evaluating our current talent and needs. This was a bold and smart move...Cass and Cap can only assist him in his evaluation.

    McNair is truly a smart businessman.

    My 2 cents.
     

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