Let Yesterday's Game Be A Reminder...

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  1. The Dream

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    That balance wins superbowls and not defense or offense alone. This is why I hope we focus on improving offensively in the upcoming draft.
     
  2. mexican_texan

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    Let that game remind us that a team with bad QB play cannot play the Super Bowl and the defense that played better won.
     
  3. gtexan02

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    A team with only defense will not beat a balanced team.
    A terrible QB can lose any superbowl
    A team that cannot make adjustments at halftime will not win a superbowl

    Those are all problems the Texns have:
    Not balanced (not strong on either side of the ball)
    A poor judgement QB
    A team that isn't talented enough at the fundamentals to make half time adjustments and loses a lot of games in the 3rd quarter (see Dallas, etc)
     
  4. hollywood_texan

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    You guys are simplying this way too much.

    First, if the Bears had played the Colts regularly this past few years, they probably would have had a more aggressive defensive approach. The Colts have problems with them teams that:

    A: Match up well (the Bears have the talent to matchup), and
    B: Have played several times so the teams know their tendacies.

    Second, the Bears never got their running game established and Cedric Benson getting injured early in the game was a significant impact to their game plan.

    Bottom line is, the Colts chewed up the clock early that didn't allow the Bears to get the running game going and their defensive gameplan just blew chunks!

    You wanna blame the QB for the loss and correlate that to Carr, go ahead...
     
  5. gtexan02

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    The colts main problem is with 3-4 teams that disguise their 4th blitzer, thus negating Manning's LOS maneuvers.

    A non blitzing bears team playing a 2 deep soft zone was easy pickings for the Colts
     
  6. Kaiser Toro

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    Not having Mike Brown and Tommie Harris may get you through the NFC, but certainly will not get you by the Colts O. They were soft up the middle and were finally exposed.
     
  7. HomeBred_Texan

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    Excuses, Excuses. Where are all the ones that claim, Defense wins championships? They don't win, they get you there...

    Our Defense has a few holes, yes...

    But our Offense needs major repair right now. We will never win if we can't score. Bottom Line... And leave Carr out of the threads. Enough bashing already...
     
  8. HoustonFrog

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    I said this in multiple threads yesterday. The game was a perfect example of how building the D and hoping to get by with a QB that is off and on won't get it done. The Colts D was less than perfect all year but they got it done when they needed to and had some playmakers. In the NFL today defenses alone don't win championships because the talent is too deep and coaching is too good and if your offense is inept, you are going nowhere. That #8 yesterday looked sadly familiar. Sorry it is true. Overall we need to have balance.
     


  9. QB75

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    Balance...which means we need backs and a secondary to begin with.
     
  10. Texasian

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    Ding, ding, ding, we have a winnah!
     
  11. Texian

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    Tell them what they have won, Texasian!
     
  12. trublu

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    This was one game. How about the Bucs, or the Ravens, heck even the Steelers. All made superbowl runs with great defences and mediocre QB play.
     
  13. Texan_Aggie222

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    Oh come on guys. There is two things that determine the outcome of games.

    1. Turnovers

    2. Domination at the Line of Scrimmage

    The Bears survived all season long on producing turnovers from their defense and then playing on a shortend feild for Rex Grossman and thier running game. But when their defense doesn't produce turnovers and thier offense turns the ball over, they lose like last night. You can get a list of teams with the best records this season and a list of teams with the best turnover margin in the season and the list will almost look identical.

    I thought both the Bears and the Colts had 2 of the top 5 offensive lines in the NFL, where they could dominate the line of scrimmage. The Colts OLine came to play last night and dominated the Bears DLine, allowing for Rhodes and Addai to control the game with Time of Possesion. The Colts where the most physical team, and thats why they are NFL Champions. If Tommie Harris was playing in the Superbowl, the outcome may have been different.

    If the Texans want to be successful next season, they need to take care of the football and the defense needs to cause turnovers. They also need to work on both the OLine and DLine so they can be domainate at the line of scrimage.
     
  14. Ole Miss Texan

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    Yea and that's kind of why I was confused that we switched to the 4-3. I like the 4-3 a lot better but it seems if we are so concerned about putting pressure on peyton....see the mario pick...that we would rebuild the 3-4. (i know they are only 1 team)

    I thought i remember some people saying how mario would be better in a 3-4 anyway so that just confused me some more.

    any insight to this?
     
  15. thunderkyss

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    well...... the Bears defense that we saw yesterday was not the Bears defense people talk about when they say the Bears' defense.

    How many times was Peyton sacked?? & How many times did they let Peyton look like Vince Young??

    Okay, maybe not Vince Young, but a tall 230 pound Tarkenton.

    I blame the coaches more than I blame Rex... all week long, I've seen Bears players all over Miami, on different shows, and making appearances everywhere.

    well, Booger did do the Best Damn thing.

    but other than that, the Colts were all biddness...... they had their routine, and they did their thing. The Bears were loving the media & South Beach, and all the other stuff.

    Then that game plan to take away the big play...... didn't work like they planned.....

    Then they blew a 14-0 lead....

    There were a hundred things Grossman could have done to win that game..... but the way the game started, he shouldn't have had to do any of them. The coaches screwed that pooch....
     
  16. TexansTrueFan

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    U can have the best D in the whole league and an offense that cant do anything with the ball, and u will lose, cause it will either be turnovers or special teams that put the other team in position to win. Its hard to win if ur O stinks and ur D is good. The texans O wasnt so bad last year, i mean they put up enough points in most cases to win teams, but the D Gave up more points than we could score, so in the end, Getting rid of Carr is what everyones solution seems to be :( I dont think so.
     
  17. vtech9

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    I'll field this question...

    The Bucs won with a very good defense and a balanced offense ran by an average QB that didn't make alot of mistakes.

    Similarly, the Ravens had the defense, a very good RB, and an average QB that didn't make many mistakes.

    and again, the Steelers had a good defense, a good running game, and a QB that didn't make too many mistakes.

    Hmmmm...do you see any similarities here?

    The Bears had everything above except for the QB that didn't make mistakes. When your QB can't hold onto the ball, it makes it very hard to move the offense down the field to score.
     
  18. trublu

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    The QB wasn't the only one having problems holding on to the ball...I think there was a slight drizzle or something, I don't know I don't have HDTV. I'm not trying to defend Grossman or anything, I was just responding to post that "Good D and mediocre QB simply doesn't work". I tend to think that it does.
     
  19. TexansTrueFan

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    OK IF we had an o-line that could protect Carr i think he would be a great QB. BUT the boy is shell shocked, even when he has time, he doesnt use it cause he's so used to beign knocked around by every defender on the field. I STILL THINK carr can have a very good career here in Houston, If he has a few games where he dont get pounded into the ground than maybe he'll trust the guys blocking for him enough to hold onto the ball for 2 more seconds so our recievers can break away and we can actually have some of those exciting pass plays we see on espn when they're showing other game highlights.
     
  20. HoustonFrog

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    Exactly and we have that same problem at QB. The problem with pointing out these teams is that they are still the exception, not the rule. I know everyone would love to get to the SB but the Bears were hanging on all year hoping that their problem didn't hurt them. It did in the biggest game. My belief is once you get into the playoffs and play the top teams they can gameplan for a basic offense and make your trouble spots stick out. They made Rex have to make plays. There is no excuse, even rain for dropped snaps. His interceptiosn weren't even pressure throws for the most part..he forced the ball. Sorry but we haven't gotten to the mediocre QB part. I'd rather be the rule than the exception and just say "we can get by." Why do it if you don't have to?
     

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