Leave David Carr alone

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  1. powda

    powda Team BLEACH!

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    If carr had the desire to be great he would've been better.

    He's just a footnote in our decade and a half of suck.
     
  2. xtruroyaltyx

    xtruroyaltyx Hall of Fame

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    Yep
     
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  3. Hervoyel

    Hervoyel BUENO!

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    Peppers was the clear choice. The safe choice. Not going with Peppers and picking Carr put us behind the 8-ball from day one. It's also interesting to look at where later drafts might have shaken out had we not gone QB with our very first draft pick.

    In 2002-2003 the Texans offense was a shaky, fragile mess with Carr and every single time that Tony Banks set foot on that field things got better. Not "HERE WE GO!!!! SUPER BOWL!!!!" better but the entire OL settled down and played at a somewhat higher level. With Banks you lost all the sacks given up to running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. You got a player who at least had an internal clock that ran on NFL time. There was no reason to go with David Carr as the starter from day one other than Bob's man-crush on him.

    You pick Peppers in 2002 and you probably don't win any more games than we did. What, maybe 1 game? 2? that was a tough year for the OL with all those injuries and inexperience. No question about it. Do you think Chester Pitt's improvement from 2002 to 2003 would be helped by Tony Banks under center? I do. He played well in 2003 and probably wouldn't have sucked as much in 2002 if he hadn't had an inexperienced ready-to-rabbit-at-the-snap-of-the-ball rookie to protect.

    I don't think the 2003 draft goes much different than it did in reality. If you win 4 games like we did in 2002 (hell we barely won some of those) and draft at the same spot then the Texans are probably taking Andre Johnson again because the need for a real #1 WR is still there and he's Andre friggin Johnson. Remember, Casserly wasn't stupid. He just wasn't as smart as he thought he was. Only a blind man or Matt Millen would pass on Andre Johnson.

    Things get interesting in 2004 though. Again just hypothetically say you find yourself drafting at or near the same spot that we did in reality you are a team that's probably ready to add a better QB. The Texans might very well have found themselves looking at Roethlisberger.

    It's nuts how one pick can affect future picks.
     
  4. Porky

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    Hulk75 is back!
     
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  5. Texecutioner

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    Please let it be so. :ahhaha:
     
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  6. Honoring Earl 34

    Honoring Earl 34 Something Witty !

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    I’m sure Carr’s dad was here too . QB75 or something like that .
     
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  7. Toro Bravo

    Toro Bravo Rookie

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    I believe that David Carr could have been a very good QB, in the right situation. However, the way the Texans put together the roster in the first year wasn't very smart. Starting a rookie QB for a new franchise proved to be unadvisable. We are still trying to recover and get it right.

    Do you remember our first pick of the 2002 expansion draft? Tony Boselli. He was a pro bowl OT but was past his prime and never played a down for the Texans. Our track record of drafting OL to protect the QB started out bad and hasn't improved. Dwayne Brown is by far our best O-lineman the Texans ever drafted and we are still trying to duplicate that success.

    It's a shame that Carr didn't have an OL to help him. I just don't want to be on this message board in 10 years talking the same way about Watson.
     
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  8. Mr teX

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    Wasn’t too keen on the David Carr pick from day 1, but not b/c I wanted peppers but b/c I’d looked at a little tape on DC & didn’t really like what I saw.

    I actually wanted Harrington. I just thought he looked better as a qb and thought he would hold up better for what I knew was coming to anyone who wound up under center for us. But b/c I’m a big proponent of sitting guys for a year, I figured we’d do the journeyman qb 1st and turn the keys over to our prized franchise guy in the 2nd year.

    In hindsight, i don’t think it would’ve matter who or what way we chose to play it, the person lining up under center for us was going to get mollywhopped for at least 2 years.
     
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  9. Lucky

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    How in the holy h-e-l-l did this shyt get started?
     
  10. Lucky

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    I have a story about Casserly and Tom Brady that would have completely changed the perception about old Charley. I may have told it before. Maybe on the old HPF site. It comes around to the Carr pick, eventually. I'll get back to it after I finish work. I hate it when people make me work.
     


  11. steelbtexan

    steelbtexan Hall of Fame

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    I dont know,

    But if I never see/hear Roger/David/Derek hell even a Club Carr ever typed/spoken again in my life I will be a happy man.
     
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  12. maverick512000

    maverick512000 All Pro

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    Well that makes you a bit of a tease doesn't it. :kitten:
     
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  13. Lucky

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    So in early 2002, I am living in the metro Boston area, doing contract work for a government contractor. Setting up semiconductor packaging equipment and training employees. I was an avid sports fan even back then, listening to the Boston sports radio station WEEI whenever I was in the car. During Super Bowl week, WEEI brings on Charley Casserly for an interview. Casserly, a Worchester native, was a frequent guest on the station.. I'm pumped for it, because I've been a Texan fan since before they came up with the name. I was moving back to Houston in the spring, and a buddy and I were planning on getting season tickets for the Texans.

    During the interview, Casserly said that the team had scouted Tom Brady extensively in the preseason. They had a plan to offer the Patriots the 1st pick in the 2nd round for Brady. Casserly felt that the Patriots would jump at the offer. Drew Bledsoe had just signed a $100 million contract as was ensconced as New England's franchise QB. The 1st pick in the 2nd round was very valuable then, as rookie contracts dropped substantially from the 1st to 2nd rounds.

    Needless to say, a Bledsoe injury in Week 2 dashed the Texans plans. Brady took over and led a 5-11 team to an 11-5 record, and an AFC title. By the time the Super Bowl rolled around, everyone in football knew Belichick was sticking with Tom Terrific and Bledsoe would be on the trading block.

    This was prior to the Texans drafting Carr. There was still a debate as to which QB to take #1, Carr or Harrington. Peppers was dismissed as the #1 overall, as he was deemed a "bad fit" for Capers' 34 defense. And David Carr became the 1st pick of the 2002 NFL draft. But for Bledsoe being a dumbass and not running out of bounds, the Texans did not get Tom Brady.

    Drew Bledsoe, you suck. I think Charley Casserly would agree.
     
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  14. Honoring Earl 34

    Honoring Earl 34 Something Witty !

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    My View of Carr is the same as I had with VY in they had bad throwing mechanics . I would not draft a QB that high with bad mechanics . When Carr went to Carolina he said now I don't have to worry about throwing over ladders throwing Palmer under the bus . The 2002 Senior Bowl game was all you needed to know about Carr . He played three series and they ended with a batted down ball , a sack , and an int . Then Rohan Davey and Patrick Ramsey came in and the scored forty something points .
     
  15. powda

    powda Team BLEACH!

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    My fault.

    I made the comparison between Carr and his line with Watson and our current scrap heap. It was a few days into free agency (in the free agency thread) and we hadn't done anything.

    I was disappointed. I didn't know it would turn into this. I'm sorry. I'll say one hail Mary for every sack in carr's career.
     
  16. maverick512000

    maverick512000 All Pro

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    To the corner of shame with you! :bag:
     
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  17. Porky

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    I think the pit of misery is more suitable!
     
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  18. Honoring Earl 34

    Honoring Earl 34 Something Witty !

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    Dilly dilly !!
     
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  19. Speedy

    Speedy Yeller Dweller

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    There's not enough here to measure our dicks for a thousand pages we have to bring David Carr back to the forefront?

    Anybody for some Vince/Reggie rehash?
     
  20. Texazan

    Texazan Our HOF 34

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    Wow, wish I would've never read that but thanks for adding it to the absolute shyt luck we've had as a sporty city!




    Eh, we would've gotten Brady killed anyway....
     
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