Kuharsky sits down with Bruce Smith to discuss Mario in Wade's 3-4 defense

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  1. GP

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    Kuharsky (AFC South blog) asks Bruce Smith to comment on Phillips as d-coord and how Mario Williams factors into the 3-4 defense.

    Didn't see this posted, so if I missed that somebody else has posted this, please merge.

     
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  2. GP

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    Not really feeling all that optimistic about Mario's chances at success now.

    Feeling good about Wade's overall chances at success. Not so good about Mario.

    It sounds like it's a recipe for Mario to look for a way out after 2011, yet the Texans would probably just franchise him. Or move him by trade deadline in 2011 somehow. I just don't think he's going to be able to thrive, unless he's used VERY creatively.
     
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    Yeah, that doesn't sound like Mario at all. In 5 years he still hasn't expanded on his pass rushing moves.
     
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    Who cares whether Mario thrives in the system? I sure don't. If the defense is good, I could care less if Mario only ends up with 7 sacks. Highlighting Mario as the team's one playmaker on defense hasn't exactly been a successful recipe to date.
     
  5. TheIronDuke

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    Mario doesn't have the inner drive to dominate like Bruce Smith did, doubt he's going to dedicate any time to being dominant either. Injuries are a constant with him to make excuses for under-performing.
     
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    Bruce Smith is an example of how a great player can thrive in any system. Mario Williams is no Bruce Smith. That doesn't mean that Mario can't produce in the 3-4.
     
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    I think Mario can be very successful in this defense. Not saying "will" but "can". And although I want him to be successful, his success is less important to me that the success of the team.

    The team's success is the only really important thing.
     
  8. GP

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    My gawd, TPN and Dale. I freaking KNEW there would be at least one or two people come here and pull the "I don't care what Mario does, I care about the team" chest thumping card.

    No sh!t, sherlocks.

    I even went to the length of saying "Wade's overall success" which IMPLIES that I meant that Wade can still get the defense to succeed even if Mario is not thriving in the 3-4 from a personal play standpoint.

    It's OK to wish someone personal success. And the better Mario does, the better the team does. It's inherent to the success of the defense as a whole.

    I could've bet the mortgage on this stuff. Geez...

    The thread is about what Bruce Smith said about Mario Williams, and I see red flags all over it. The good news is that Bruce's comments also illuminate what he thinks of Wade as a d-coord. So there's a silver lining even if Mario is taking remedial 3-4 classes when the other kids are outside playing.
     


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    NOTE: I don't think you two guys were necessarily needling me about anything.

    But I did know, when I posted what I posted, that somebody would just have to satisfy the urge to go the route of saying that stuff about personal success vs. team success.

    To me, the two are tied together fairly closely. Great teams have great players who excel at their job(s) and lift others to higher levels. With Mario being in a contract year, it will be interesting to see how the switch to a 3-4 impacts the contract talks with Mario as 2011 progresses.

    If things are going well, then good. If he looks bad, we're going to potentially have the opportunity to move him to a 4-3 team at the trade deadline and get something BIG for it. And we could tag his ass for two straight years if he wants to play hardball, too, if I remember the franchise rules (you can only tag a guy two years in a row or some such stuff like that).

    I think this is a win-win for us. This is the year Mario has to grow or go, IMO. He's going to have to be teachable and ready to do whatever it takes.
     
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    Personally, I wasn't saying anything to you. I wasn't needling you or anything.

    And I think a lot of times, you take whatever I write and just take it as an attack or some sort of attempt to get a rise out of you when it's not meant that way at all.

    NOTE: I mean, I was basically agreeing with you and you decided to get weird about it.
     
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    Well, if we were to bring up the posts from the past (back when I would actually engage in dialogue with you, which I just started up again tonight) you did indeed hammer me. It seemed everywhere I went on here, there you were right behind me with a great deal of misery behind your replies to my posts.

    Surely you've noticed that I haven't responded to your posts in practically something like 6 months or a year ago. Not even sure on the actual timeline. I just know I jumped ship on having dialogue with you because it just wasn't worth the grief anymore.

    As for Dale, he went bat shit crazy on me one day. Then when I was out of town and couldn't post on the board to reply to the thread where he went nutso on me...he called me out and said "Just like I thought, he's nowhere to be found" or something similar to that. That pissed me off royally, to do that crap when I wasn't even aware of what was going on (due to being away from Internet signal for a few days).

    Anyways, the point remains: You two had to satisfy the urge to make sure everyone knew you cared the most about TEAM success, which is pretty much Captain Obvious to everyone here. So that's where I get cranky about the whole deal. It was just awkward, and I knew it wouldn't be long before someone had to put on the Captain Obvious superhero cape and come to the rescue.

    Rant over, I think this dead horse has been beaten enough, carry on and all that jazz...
     
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    I don't think that this is going to be that big of an issue. Wade seems like he will be creative AND adaptive enough to get the most out of Mario. As long as Mario buys into it then I think all will be good.

    Also, hasn't Wade said that we would likely be in a 4-3 on passing downs anyway? Mario will still be able to put up the sack numbers.
     
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    No one's going to be keying in so much on Mario when Connor Barwin is the one reigning holy terror all over the offensive backfield.
     
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    This is going to be what's most telling, to me. Wade said he wants to use the players to their strengths instead of putting them into places they don't fit into.

    Which begs the question: Will he try to make Mario a Bruce Smith version 2.0, or will he adapt and adjust and try to find the best EFFECTIVE fit for Mario? And will that be a fit that means personal success for Mario, or will it be a fit that makes Mario a decent player but not "the main guy" which ends up frustrating Mario during a contract year.

    This is his contract year. If he were to go to another team, it will be of utmost importance, to Mario and his agent, that Mario look good on film during 2011.

    I can see this being a VERY delicate and important situation. If this isn't handled with extreme caution and with due diligence on Wade's behalf--to get Mario into the best situations possible--then it could become a problem.
     
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    I hope you're right, but the way that foot was pointed (when he got hurt) I am just trying to wrap my mind around how he comes back and doesn't deal with ankle problems off-and-on all the time.

    Holy crap that can't be good for a person to have had that happen. And then to come back and be running full steam ahead on it, making hard plants and cuts on it, pushing off on it, pivoting on it, etc.

    I have a confession: Ankle and joint injuries gross me completely out! I mean, I can stand the sight of blood. I can stand a lot of things. But seeing Theisman's leg snap, and seeing Barwin's foot pointed the wrong way, make me gag a little.
     
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    That's exactly who I think will benefit the most from the 3-4 change. If Barwin can stay healthy and see the field a lot, Barwin should have a lot of success in that scheme along with Cushing as well. I've always had an itch to see Cushing in the 3-4 scheme.
     
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    I think we also find out a lot more about what drives Mario. Is it going to be team success or personal accolades? If the guy just wants to win and brings the right attitude to the switch, then I think he turns into a really great 3-4 DE. If not, then I'm sure he will be gone in a year or two.

    Don't watch the Andrew Bogut elbow injury then!
     
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    In reply to your first point:

    Well, I think Mario has earned (and I see this loosely) a shot at being put in as good of a position as possible. I'm not talking necessarily about him being completely idolized and worshipped. I'm just saying that it could be easy, with the switch to the 3-4, for Mario to get lost in the transition.

    He has been a guy who runs the width of the field and tracks down a guy from behind, after you think he was completely out of the play from the beginning. Throughout all the years he's been here, he's seemingly played through injuries and has tried to be the best No. 1 pick he could be. I know he gets the "he's not motivated" tag, but I don't think it fits. Now, I think that tag fits HWMNBN and some others (like Travis Johnson, though he wasn't a no. 1 pick) but not a complete tailor-made tag for Mario.

    I think he'll be his best when he's lined up in a funky spot, possibly as a LB off the LOS a few feet (standing up rather than hand in the dirt). I remember Bruce Smith sort of roaming the LOS during the QB's sap count, acting like he was going to shoot one gap and then hopping over to another gap just before the snap.

    I am getting pretty excited, in spite of not being totally happy, about how Wade goes about changing the defense and if he can make a good run at it. It's at least something "new" to look at and discuss.

    In reply to your second point:

    I will NOT be watching the Bogut injury! LOL.
     
  19. TexanSam

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    Same here. I'm not sure if Mario is a "student of the game" as Bruce Smith mentioned. Hopefully he is and I hope he has success under Wade Phillips but my gut is telling me he won't.
     
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    I agree that after this interview I don't feel very optimistic about it, but I really could careless if Mario had 2 sacks by week 15 but the team was ranked say...17th in overall defense. Oh well, time to move on from Mario and send him back to a team that plays a 4-3 so he can have success again.

    Problem is, if Mario does have a bad year the Texans will franchise him. Pretty sure, but they won't do the next smart move (which would be then trading him for top picks) they will hang onto him because if it's one thing this organization has proven is that they are patient to the point that it hurts the team. Banging their head against something that doesn't works (Carr...Okoye...Kubes...) and by the time they realize that Mario hasn't worked out he will have lost all of his value.

    So I hope Mario goes out there and dominates. One because I am a fan of his, he's one of my favorite players on the team. He's not overly cocky and he seems like a chill dude. Off the top of my head he had 9 sacks? With the injury he had for most of the year that is beyond impressive. The best part is what Smith is saying and what many others have been saying...he can still get better and is only 25, for a DE he has at least 4-5 great years ahead of him followed by a couple of more years of solid veteran play. I really hope guys like him, Meco, Andre at least sniff the lombardi one day as Texans.
     

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