Kubiak to make final decision on #1 pick...

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  1. texan279

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    Texans | First draft pick decision will be new head coach's call
    Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:46:42 -0800

    John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the decision on the Houston Texans first pick in the 2006 NFL Draft will belong to their new head coach - expected to be Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. The Texans' new coach will get input from the team's personnel department, including general manager Charley Casserly. He will get input from his offensive assistants, buy ultimately the decision will belong to the new head coach.
     
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    well he knows the importance of a solid line so hopefully he will not make a FIRST BAD draft pick.
     
  3. Mr. White

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    Wouldn't be surprised if he traded it down. Seems like his mentor is practical when it comes to draft selection.
     
  4. beerlover

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    thats a very insightful point. also on record is they don't draft lineman or RB's early :rolleyes: but would an offensive coach go defensive with the 1st pick after trading down :confused:
     
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    who would u take ?
     
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    according to JM. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3587895.html

    Whether you are for Young or Bush, stop and put yourself in GK shoes. Let's say you are GK and you have no bias to either player. Who do you go with?

    I can see him going either way. Here are some reasons why he might go with Young...

    He is a rookie coach and specializes in coaching QB's. In Young he get's a fresh guy to start from scratch. He could think Carr is damaged goods who already has 4 years of wear and tear and has developed plenty of bad habits on the NFL level that may be hard to break. Of maybe he just thinks VY has a lot more potential than Carr. Also, if he goes with Young, he won't have the pressure to "turn this thing around" as quick as he would with Carr. The fans and the front office might be more patient with him because he would truly be starting from scratch.

    Here is why he might go with Bush...

    He watches a lot of ESPN :).

    OK seriously, maybe he thinks Carr can be "all of that and a bag of chips". Maybe he is confident that Carr just needs a little tweaking to be a top flight QB. In his mind Bush would be a valuable weapon to take the pressure off of Carr and help him along. However to pick Bush #1 he is going to have to buy into a lot of the hype that this guy is going to be the next Gayle Sayers, not the next Eric Metcalf. Bush is going to have to be a lot more than a mere luxury to choose at #1. If Kubiak is sold on that he might go this way.

    Trading down for a deal too good to pass up is another great option for him to get started. I am sure he won't be opposed to that even if he has decided on a player at #1. It would give him multiple new pieces to start with obviously.

    Honestly, if the ball is truly in GK court as JM thinks. I think EVERYTHING is going to hinge on what he TRULY thinks of David Carr because as Capers will attest too, it is his butt on the line if things don't work out. Young will buy him more time to be successful however if Young bust and Carr goes on to be a great QB, it will also be his head that will roll.

    One thing is certain however, Casserly will either be taking credit or deflecting blame on the coach depending on how things go.


    OK, someone beat me to the punch because of my long post. Feel free to merge my post with the other thread that is titled the same :)
     
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    A good trade would be with the Jets at #4. Any of the Big Three would be great in that media fishbowl and we take AJ Hawk. He would be a good leader to replace Sharper.

    I doubt it would be in his philosophy to take Brick in the draft. His coaching changes and some later round OL picks may be enough to help the OL out.
     
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    the question is who would Kubiak take? the Texans have so many needs, if the Texans switch to a 4-3 that may influence the decison to take a DE pass rushing specialist like Mario Williams, but I have'nt seen him play so I'm not sure about him. Hawk would fill the MLB position even though he's listed as a OLB, I like his toughness and speed to cover ground sideline to sideline which is what you need especially if you are in :spy: coverage.

    however after watching Denver today and sensing that Kubiak is coming to Houston to ressurect Carrs career I think the best move (in a trade down) would be to draft D'Brickashaw Ferguson, this should help Kubiac with Carr's development as much as the scheme and playcalling. :twocents:
     


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    "The worst mistake the Texans could make would be to listen to the fans and media, but that won't keep everyone from having an opinion." Translation, the worst mistake a company could make would be to listen to its customers, but that won't keep everyone from having an opinion...sorry, that struck me as funny. That's why football is so unique I guess.

    I have faith the Texans and GK will make the move that will most improve the team for years to come. I just hope they have a good risk/reward caculator handy...
     
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    He's taking Vince.

    He's a QB guy and will ressurect Carr for a season and raise his trade value. Then with a season of watching, learning, getting used to the bench just in case he makes bone-headed mistakes early, an NFL Training Camp, andsome garbage time in season one, Vince will take-over.
     
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    They should function under the assumption that their fans will be their fans whether they take Bush or Young. Anything else just isnt acceptable. Besides.. any fan that would quit supporting the team because they didnt take Young.. would quit supporting them cause they lost four in a row.. or didnt finish above .500.. etc..etc.. basicly.. fairweather fans will be fairweather fans no matter what you do.. so dont worry about them.
     
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    Good post
    Do you think that if they take Vince it'll only be because of fan pressure.

    Scenario:
    Bush is rated a 96 on their board
    Young a 95

    Who do you take?
     
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    I doubt Kubiak takes Young solely because of pressure from the fans. He is going to come in and try to do what it takes to turn this ship around, so I would think he would make the choice that he believes will help the team the most.
     
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    Kubiak and his coaches and Casserly and McNair will all be involved in the selection adn there will be plenty of evaluation going on, including interviews, workouts, film, background checks, outside opinions, more workouts. People are going to want to see VY up close and in person, see how he throws in person, see what kind of person he is. Ditto Bush (well, not the throwing).

    I gotta think that at this point Bush is the fave if they keep the pick, just because Carr is a kind of mid-quality QB they can work with, and Young is too fancy a prospect.

    You take Young you plan on building the franchise around him for ten years. Carr's got another 3 years before he's a backup somewhere.
     
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    as much as i want to see reggie bush in a texans uniform, i feel that under kubiak's direction, the running game behind domanick davis should be sufficient enough for us to win alot of games. however i still think kubiak will stick with david carr for at least another year. in the meantime, i think the texans need to draft in the following order (priorities):

    1. LB - aj hawk (the next brian urlacher)
    2. OL
    3. CB
    4. WR who can run!
    5. FS or SS for insurance

    i really hope the texans switch to a 4-3 defense. keep payne and travis johnson in the middle and stick peek and robaire at the DE's with babin being the wildcard. some way or another, ur d-line needs to get a better pass rush, so might as well play peek at his natural DE spot. ur linebackers would consist of aj hawk, kailee wong, morlon greenwood, and the wildcards being shantee orr and da shon polk. ur secondary would have dunta, pbuc, glenn earl, and cc brown. the texans may need to look for a more serviceable nickle.
     
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    What do you think about Kubiak going after Lavar Arrington in the Free agent market?
     
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    I agree, as good as Young and Bush are, we do have greater needs that a new coach (Kubiak hopefully) would probably adress first. That means trading down. Oh well, we'll see :)
     
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    Denver has drafted a couple OLinemen pretty early, but the majority of their 1st round picks are on defense and a couple on WR, (none on QBs or RBs), so I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Kubiak push for a trade down to bring in OLinemen or defensive players, I would think OLinemen would be a higher priority since ours are lousy for the most part and he is an offensive coach and when people evaluate his success in a year or two, they're first going to look at how he turned around the offense since he is an offensive coach.

    Arrington is not a free agent unless Washington releases him, we missed our chance to get him earlier this year when they were not happy with him and we probably could have traded a 4th round pick for him, but now it seems like Washington is happier with him again and will keep him.

    Denver also got 1500 yard seasons out of Olandis Gary after TD got hurt and out of Mike Anderson after Gary and TD got hurt the following season.
     
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    Even though Kubiak will be a rookie head coach I'm sure he has quite an ego. He has put together one of the most effective offensive schemes in the NFL. He has a reputation for being able to plug any runningback into his system and make them look like superstars. Along with that he is known for being great at developing quarterbacks. If he sees potential in Carr and has faith in his running scheme then I could very easily see him trading out of the first spot.
     
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    Why would he want Vince when he has Plummer's twin brother Carr. Not only that, but Vince Young will be horrible as an NFL QB.
     

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