Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by Wolf, Feb 23, 2008.
this has more than just combine stuff ..
I don't know why Amobi wouldn't make that big jump. He showed more flash than Mario did his first year. He was a force until he ran into the wall.
I'm stoked about just watching the both of them grow. As young as both of them are, it will still be 5 or 6 years before they reach their primes.
Also, the Spencer thing sounds almost... positive..
I agree, just imagine if Mario and Amobi both raise their sack totals and pressuring the QB, our DB's will look better.
Yes, good news indeed.
Kubes left himself PLENTY of wriggle room on Spencer. I'm starting to believe in the "Curse of Boselli".
I'm gonna have to up my Prozac til draft day rolls around!!!
Sure, I know the history of reporting on players injuries. This is the first time that I hear someone saying that he'll be in camp showing us what he has left after the injury. That, IMO, is MUCH better than 'we're optimistic'
If spencer makes it all the way back that kills the talk of drafting a Tackle high in the draft.
Not necessarily. He'll still be VASTLY oversized, if he can lose some of that weight, then yes.
The draft is in April. You won't know if Spencer makes it all the way back, until the end of training camp in August.
The smart play is to act, in April, as if Spencer is never coming back.
In his case, size hasn't been an issue. When he was healthy he was vey light on his feet with great lateral movement, not to mention a punch that would stop a charging Rhino. I suspect that your thinking of Gibbs and his WCO type of lineman. It isn't so much the size of them as it is how well they move and get to the second level. I'm sure he wouldn't turn down a guy that's 350 just to have a guy that's 300 if the 350 guy was just as fast or faster than the 300 guy. My fear on Spencer is that he will have lost the lateral speed and that will likely mean moving to guard. Not that that is a bad thing, it's just that he looked like he was going to be special at LT. From what I understand, he will need some seriouse conditioning though to get ready to actually play.
This is absolutely correct. You can always switch a tackle to guard, but you can't always switch a guard to tackle.
Very true. Let's not count on Spencer being our savior at LT. He would be an outstanding candidate for our RG position at this time, but not worth throwing all our eggs in a basket as a LT. Let's not make the same mistake 3 err...4 times.
agreed. I want to see the stone rolled away and the grave empty befor I invest any more hope in the long shots. And that is what Charles Spencer is at this moment a long shot. Might be the spark creating the smoke for the Rb trade rumor. They gotta have a CB. RB on board means they don't have to take a RB or be tempted by one while every one else is gobbling them up early in the draft. means they can take the corners or the lineman...bang , bang.
I absolutely agree with what you've said. I'm almost certain that Spencer WILL make it back and he'll be a force to be rekoned with but I absolutely would not be happy with the Texans if we don't address the LT need.
If Spencer returns, FREAKING AWESOME! But if we took a quality LT and he's performed well, Spencer would be a LUXURY if he returned and that's how a team builds depth. I'm not saying Spencer would be a backup or anything but he would definitely bolster his value. If we found a replacement, Spencer becomes expendible and we all know that LTs are a valuable commodity in the NFL. We would be able to at least get something valuable in exchange for him. We have to remember the Matt Schaub trade. If they had done this correctly, the Falcons have absolutely gotten their money's worth out of him! He was drafted in the third round and they got two seconds for him. Spencer was drafted in the third... I'll let you make your own assumptions from this point on.
I'm just trying to say that even if we had the best LT in the league, I still wouldn't be upset if the Texans selected ANOTHER LT in the first round. I believe they're THAT valuable in the NFL.
Worst case if Spencer returns and we take a LT starter who's able to overtake Spencer... we'd be looking at some mad depth! A team may be able to accumulate the best starting lineup at a certain position but it means nothing if you've got noone to relieve them.
We MUST move forward assuming that Charles Spencer will NOT return.
Guards need as much or more footspeed than tackles do in this zbs. I'd even say that great guard play is more important than great tackle play in this scheme. I think the key to having a great zbs is to have excellent guard play. You can have average Tackle play if your guard play is good since most of our passing comes off play action.
Do you think (if healthy) that Spencer is a candidate for our system? Is he quick enough in other words?
he was before his injury....we'll see soon. Heck, Pitts is 330 and gets to the second level as easily as a Man 30 pounds lighter.
Let's hope that he hasn't lost his mobility. LT or guard, I really don't care, we need him. But I do agree that you approach free agency and the draft as if he wasn't going to be ready. If he is, it's a luxury.
We enterred last season thinking WR was a weakness. LT could be a strength by game one. I could see Spencer and Salaam battling for starter and a draft pick learning the game from Gibbs and not having pressure to immediately start. I see that in Tony Hill in third round. If Hill comes on strong, a decision could be made later in season what to do with surplus. Bye, bye Jordan Black!
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