Kubiak? DC? Or the Receivers?

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  1. gtexan02

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    So I've heard a lot of complaining about the play calling today. How much of it is warranted?

    With 2 minutes left to go at half time and down by 4, caling a run up the middle seems pretty lame. Thats on Kubiak for sure. Wasted opportunity, and very interesting considering we lost by 4.

    But what about the rest of the calls? What about all the short dump offs? What about the routes on 3rd and 5 where the receivers gained about 3 yards? Who is that on?

    Is it Kubiak's fault? I mean, with 5 receivers, I'm sure some of them were running deep patterns. Can you blame Kubiak that Carr chose to throw to the guys under the coverage?

    Is it Carr's fault? Is he the one choosing who to throw to, and choosing to throw all the dinks and dunks? I mean, Kubiak is the great QB coach, and he is a west coach guy, so is it fair to criticize Carr for plays that Kubiak is calling and coaching him on?

    Is it the receivers fault? Are they not getting separation? Moulds was 1 on one 1 with McQuarters, and AJ was 1 on 1 a few times too, and they were letting scrub DBs stick right with them. For as good as our WRs supposedly are, I NEVER see them wide open. They are always making catches in traffic. But is it fair to criticize them for the bad plays when they may not even be involved at all?

    The way I look at it, unless you go back and watch the gamefilm, it is impossible to criticize Carr, Kubiak, or the WRs. Maybe Kubiak chose plays where Carr is supposed to make a decision, but Carr has too little confidence to go for the big play. Maybe the WRs aren't getting open. Maybe Kubiak is calling 3 and 5 step drop and throw plays. Its tough to tell, but I'd love someone to give me some insight if they have it.
     
  2. thunderkyss

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    pssshh..... watch me. I'll go back and look at my game, recorded. It's not game field, but I try to be as objective as I can be. If I can't see the safety, I'll give David the benefit of the doubt. But if AJ or Moulds are in single coverage, I think the ball should go to him.

    I thought the whole reason for getting the TE involved in the passing game, and getting a quality reciever opposite Andre, was so we could get single coverage on AJ, get the ball out there, and give him an opportunity to make a play on the ball.

    The pass to AJ in the endzone, where he had to turn around to make the catch, IMHO doesn't qualify. he had to do everything he could to keep the DB from Intercepting that ball. There was all kinds of room in front of AJ where that ball should have been to give AJ a shot at making a play. In front, away from the reciever.

    Same thing on the deep route to Eric. He had the guy beat, and was to the outside. The ball should have been ahead of him, not underthrown.
    Maybe??

    There ain't no maybe about it.

    Carr is always supposed to make a decision. Unless you see the Offensive Linemen release ahead of the RB/TE, it is not a screen, and DC made the decision to throw the underneath route. Sometimes, that is the best route........ the best decision. But there is no way that can be the best decision that often.......

    If we aren't getting one on one coverage on our receivers, and the defense is always taking away the deep route, then I'd blame Kubiak...
     
  3. dat_boy_yec

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    I gotta say on this one Carr deserve's most of the blame. I don't have gamefilm either, but there are alot of instances where he left opportunities on the field. There was one pass where he threw to Mould's I think who was immediately hit by the LB shadowing him. However Lundy was standing a few feet away from him and would have had a better shot at getting yds. Also on alot of plays you can see there are other receivers running their routes. You can't tell if they're covered or not, but it's clear that Carr has multiple options. Also maybe it's me, but Carr has looked off plays that he should have made. Again maybe I'm being to critical, but Carr left alot of plays on the field. Oh and anybody else notice that when he scrambles he rarely if ever looks down the field. I think he needs to work on this more. With all that said I think he's made a lot of progress, but still has a long way's to go.
     
  4. Texas

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    The play calling is definetly better then it used to be but theres still some stupid stuf that we do~
     
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    Whos fault...........Cooks..........Hey you asked.:cool:
     
  6. HomeBred_Texan

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    That fumble killed us period...
     
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    Key point...as has been stated....you don't know from watching TV if the WR is covered or not or if there is a DB heading his way with bad intentons. What may look like an open reciever may in fact have someone out side of the camera frame that presents a problem. The only way any of us can say any play was good, bad or indifferent for execution is if we had access to all the coaches game tape. Until then, we speculate on what we THINK may be happening.
     
  8. kfranco_utexas

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    i before e except after c.

    receive.
     


  9. thunderkyss

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    We've had more problems than not, getting the ball down field all game...........


    What makes you think we could've got down the field to score on that drive??

    How 'bout that missed field goal?? why didn't we put that one in the endzone??
     
  10. MrMeToo

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    I saw AJ pretty wide open on that the play where Cook fumbled.I was pretty upset he didn't get the ball in the 4th quarter.Johnson was having a good game and Carr didn't give him any chance.
     
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    You know that , you had a nice TV view at it. I guess we will take your word for it.
     
  12. run-david-run

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    Just a couple of points: 1. I agree that the ball to AJ should have been better placed and should have been a TD. 2. To me it looked like Moulds and the CB were dead even, but the CB didnt know where the ball was. He got lucky that it basicaly hit his arm, because he was in no position to adjust to an underthrow, just bad luck.
     
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    I don't want it to sound like I'm picking on David.... he's doing just what I expected him to do, progressing albeit at his own pace.

    But if you watched the Replay, Moulds had a step, had to slow down, and come back to the ball.... basically had to come back through the DB. If he had caught that ball(which he had no chance to catch) it would have been an amazing play by Moulds.
     
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    Those runs in the 2 min drill were pretty impressive last week against the Titans... It just didn't work today.
     
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    Help me on this, I thought if receiver came back for ball and he & DB bumped it is suppose to be defensive foul?
     
  16. thunderkyss

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    I was screaming for a flag, I thought the same thing.... dude didn't turn his head or anything.
     
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    That play ties into one issue that I had with Kubes... Yes, Jameel fumbled, but why would you have a guy (fullback) that is lucky to get one touch per game, in that situation.. He is blocking back..

    The second issue that I had with our rookie coach was the challenge on the blocked kick that would have only netted an extra 8 yards....

    But hey, Kubes will be just fine - anyone remember "hand-off left", "hand-off left", third and long - "draw play".........
     
  18. thunderkyss

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    Jameel is better receiving the ball than he is at being a blocking back..... He really doesn't have enough ass to knock people out of holes.

    But generally, when he gets the ball, he makes plays, and gets extra yards.

    Next to the big Lundy runs, his one run for 13 yards in yesterday's game belongs on our best run of the year list.
     
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    3-7-NYG38 (3:16) D.Carr pass incomplete deep middle to A.Johnson.

    anyone else with the ability to re-watch our games, can you watch this play, and tell me what you see??
     
  20. Nighthawk

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    Hand the man a jock strap. The Carr man-crush knows no bounds!
     

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