Kubiak and Bush

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  1. Goldeagle

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    Do you think this combination will work? Whether you think Bush is God, or Bush is subpar, Kubiak in Denver has been able to make average running backs look great.

    Just curious on your thoughts.
     
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    If there is one system that could make him look better than he actually is it would be the Denver system. The real question is whether he can bring the success of the Denver system to Houston.
     
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    denver's system + reggie = "....wont that tear a hole in the universe or something?"

    DD and coach k can work just fine with me
     
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    Interesting thought. Denver's zone blocking scheme allows them to plug in a variety of backs and get similar results year after year. The Texans' zone blocking scheme allows Wells to replace Davis and post similar numbers, the same with Morency (for one game anyway).

    Hmmm.

    Given that, if Kubiak and Bush come here Kubiak may judge our lineman for their zone blocking skills first, and have them improve their pass blocking by:

    a) better coaching
    b) defenses respecting the run more
    c) as well as an infusion of new blood
     
  5. Hervoyel

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    What I think is that the Denver system gets any reasonably talented back put into it very good numbers. What stands out most though is that when they put an exceptional back in there the numbers go way up. Terrell Davis had monster numbers in this system. Olandis Gary not so much but still very good. he went elsewhere and did nothing. Anderson had some pretty good numbers here and so did Droughns but Portis was going through the roof before he was traded. Ok, I take that back. He was having some very good years. Going through the roof was Terrell Davis.

    In short you can get good numbers easily but a top tier back is going to really leverage this system for huge numbers. Terrell Davis running in this system four years in a row did 1117, 1538, 1750, and 2008 yards from 1995 to 1998 before injuries brought him down. Clinton Portis did 1508 and 1591 in his two years in Denver. Portis did his damage in Griese's last year and Plummers first so it's not like he had John Elway taking care of the pasing duties.

    Notice also that Denver plugs a lot of backs into their system because they tear up a lot of backs. They run the ball a lot and so if the Texans hire Kubiak, plan on running this offense, and draft Reggie Bush I don't look to see Domanick Davis going anywhere. They'll use them both. I think Bush will love this offense with it's emphasis on the RB cutting back through the gap and taking off. He's going to excel in it.
     
  6. YoungTexanFan

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    Zone blocking is suited perfectly for Davis and Bush. I do not fully support bush, but I could live with him after a trade down and aquiring an extra pick or two.
     
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    Yep. If we pick Bush he'll save some wear and tear by being a threat at receiver while Davis takes some of the runs. It could be an interesting offense. Exciting even.
     
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    Gary Kubiak + Reggie Bush = Playoffs

    Bush puts up great numbers...

    Defenses Respect The Run..

    8 Men in the box..

    Recievers 1 on 1 with CBs..

    Big Downfield plays..

    More Points..

    More Wins...

    Playoffs...

    Eventually Superbowl Champions..
     


  9. YoungTexanFan

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    It has also been said that with Kubiak, comes his O-line coach and WR coach. I could care less about the WR coach, but the O-line coach would better our current zone scheme, and might even give us denvers "mystic" effect.
     
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    This is it in a nutshell. I am confident Kubiak can develop a QB, but can he communicate this blocking scheme without any of his cohorts before or currently with the Broncos. I trust that Team McNair will be asking to see who he brings on staff. Early rumors are the Denver Oline coach will come, that would be a big help in alleviating my own personal concern to this large facet of the Broncos success in the last decade.
     
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    8 men in the box - Bush moves to the slot - covered by a safety.
     
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    It doesnt matter how many points we score, our Defense has proven that to be inadequate. Until the defense is addressed, no amount of offense will win us a game. We proved that this year. Our defense and Kris Brown easily lost us 5 games alone this year.
     
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    yah our defense stunk it up.. but i think it is safe to say that Fangio can be blamed for the majority of that. His defense in Indi before he came here had the same issues... he makes his players think to much.. they arent allowed to depend on their instincts and it slows them down considerably.

    Trust me.. our defense may not be amazing next year.. but a new DC will work wonders. We will see a noticable improvement with a better DC.
     
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    Yeah but Vic Fangio is gone. That alone might win us a couple of games.
     
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    I agree 100%.
     
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    Yep. We might even allow our speed rusher to rush, rather than read and react.
     
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    No Antwan, how many times have I told you; read, THINK, and react. You never stop to think about what you're going to do. That's why you don't get more sacks.

    Signed
    Your pal, Coach Vic
     
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    Very true
     
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    Vick is gone, the WITCH IS DEAD!!!
     
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    Yeah, if Kubiak is hired...I think it's a good bet that we'll grab Bush No. 1.

    He'll want to replicate what he already has a good comprehension of in Denver in terms of zone blocking for the run game and using multiple backs.

    Heck, it works so well...why re-invent the wheel? We're already doing that as we speak, so it won't be a conversion to something new.

    The big question is at QB. Can Kubiak re-build Carr or not? I dunno. But if we draft Bush and with the way the Denver system has limited the pressure on Plummer to win the games on his own shoulders...I think it can work.

    The problem with the Carr haters is that they are sooooo bitter about us losing the way we have this season that they are very very reluctant to let Carr off the ropes even for a breather. They smell blood and they want ANY dead weight out of the locker room (and they wanted it yesterday). Which, in a way is good because great teams don't get great without intense fans who pretty much set a standard for their sports team.

    By the way Jags fan (and we know you're here) nice FG in your playoff loss. Bwaaa-ha-ha! :tv:
     

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