Kubes poor calls on 4th down

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  1. gtexan02

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    1. 4 and 2 from the 17. We're up by only 2 points.
    The fans are cheering loudly that they want us to go for it.

    The intelligent decision here is to kick a field goal.

    But Kubiak knows his job is on the line, and if we end up losing, he knows that people will be bitching on Monday. He knows Foster is averaging over 5 yards per carry, and so he decides to go for it, much to the fans delight. He calls a Foster run. Stuffed.

    Had we gotten those 3 there (its a 34 yard FG, easy pickings), we would have been up 4 points and only been down 3 after SD converted the TD/2 point. We could kicked a game tying FG instead of playing for a TD and throwing an INT

    2. 4th and 1. Kubiak calls a hurry up QB sneak. This is the play that everyone was expecting. Schaub is usually money on these QB sneaks. Problem is that the Chargers knew this and were ready for it. He's well short. We lose the ball.

    Again, Kubiak was pressing. He knew our team needed 2 shots to win the game. He should have taken some time to think about the play call. In this case, a run with Foster would have made even more sense.
     
  2. DerekLee1

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    The only people that "think Kubiak's job is on the line" are pink soapers on this board. He's not going anywhere, and frankly, there's not much better available (yet). Get the Cowher and Gruden dreams out of your heads, because they're not going back to coaching unless it's an ideal situation. Cowher's most likely going to Carolina and Gruden will stay in the booth. Anyone else would be just as much a crapshoot as Kubiak, who has done a good job making this team respectable.

    Injuries and scheduling are hurting us way more than play calling and coaching. I'm not saying Kubes is necessarily a great coach, but considering what would be available - at least right now - I'm not firing him and taking a chance getting stuck with someone like Wade Phillips or Eric Mangini.
     
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    You obviously don't listen to talk radio or talk to any Texans fans outside of the board. Everybody that I know that has watched the Texans this year think Kubiak is a joke of a HC. Fans of other teams and fans of this team.
     
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    sound statement to me.

    got issue with this. every team has to overcome injury & schedule. Texans have faced back to back depleted line-ups & come up short both times (Indy/San Diego).
     
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    They are pink soapers who don't use the internet. Lee's post is as accurate as a Dan Marino throw in the 90s.
     
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    There are a ton of pink soapers then. Every Texan fan I talk to IRL wants Kubiak gone. Your talking about a group that's already large, and growing very quickly.
     
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    Oh i know...it's a TON. lol...
     
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    Isn't this a contract year for Kubiak? Or is that next season? If it's this season and the team shows no progression how is his job not in jeopardy?
     


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    I think Kubiak just signed an extension actually

    EDIT: Signed at the end of last season http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4902936
     
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    Ah! Thank you very much. Yeah, he's probably here for better or worse for awhile longer.
     
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    If he didn't go for it, you'd be calling him a puss.
     
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    The only reason this MAY be true is because of who the owner is. Like holding on to David Carr (and bringing in a coach who was willing to blow smoke up his butt re: the possibility of making him not suck), Bob already signaled that he probably didn't consider this year a "playoffs or bust" year when he gave the extension.

    Any sane owner would have fired Kubiag last year. There's no viable argument to support the idea that this HC hasn't failed at his job. Failure shouldn't be rewarded and, outside of operations which value most highly things other than success (but, but, but . . . he's such a good guy!!!!), usually it isn't.
     
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    On 4th and 2 and up by 2 points? Why would ANYONE go for it? It makes no sense. You up by 5 and keep the game at a TD. Up by 2 is almost meaningless. We were on the 17. Its not like we were on the 35+ Thats a chipshot
     
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    Fired? No. Not after getting the team their best record in team history. Now if you were bitching about him being extended I'd be on board, but anybody saying he would've/should've been fired after last year is being dishonest at best.

    Also, I like how people registered today to piss and moan about how bad the Texans are. It's magic.
     
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    I would have probably called for the FG, but I have no problem with going for it. They were trying to set the tone. Converting that would have been huge. Statement.
     
  16. DerekLee1

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    This is NFL-wide. Fans in Philly want Andy Reid out of town. Fans in Minnesota want Brad Childress fired. Ravens fans want Harbaugh fired. And these are coaches with winning histories.

    Tampa Bay fans wanted Raheem Morris fired last year. Now everyone thinks he's a genius. Chiefs fans wanted Todd Haley gone. These teams are leading their divisions now.

    I'm working in Denver right now. Know what everyone here is salivating for? That Kubiak gets fired so the Broncos can snatch him up.

    Everyone wants to be a coach and thinks things are "so obvious". But it's not that simple. Kubiak's done a good - but not great - job with this team. Personnel is an issue. We're the youngest team in the NFL. We need some veteran leadership in the secondary badly.
     
  17. hradhak

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    I don't disagree with the call. 4th and short and you have been moving the ball on the ground is a good call. The execution on both of those plays was terrible as it was in much of the other plays in tight situations.

    I will say that Kubiak actually called a very good game today. He made the right calls, the players failed to execute. You can second guess certain decisions, but the fact is if we don't convert, the Nation bitches and moans, if he converts we make a huge statement.
     
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    Great post.
     
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    I understand your overall point. Difference between Reid, Harbaugh, etc from Kubiak is that they are winners. Kubiak is not. Morris and Haley are still in the very early parts of their stints as HCs of those teams. Kubiak has had alot more time, yet is doing much worse.

    The bolded part is where I disagree. He's done a good job of a couple things. He had our passing game working very well for awhile, even though it's really hurting right now. He finally got a running game going after 4 years, even though I am not sure how much luck getting Foster was and he tends to refuse to use the running game when it is working. Dude was on the practice squad for 16 weeks, while our running game was TERRIBLE. He helped develop a QB here in Houston, although I don't know what is going on with him this year. There are many, many failures that outweigh the successes. Never developed a defense. Never has had a balanced attack, we've been good at passing it and running it but not at the same time. It's always one or the other. He makes terrible in game decisions, on fourth downs, on challenges (wtf was that challenge in the beginning of the game today), etc.

    The fact that personnel is an issue, or the issue, is also on Kubiak. As Herv has pointed out many times, this is HIS team. He built this team with HIS GM. He released Reeves, our only veteran corner. He decided not to make a move for someone else. He decided that he was going with his "kids".
     
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    I registered last week, been lurking, and jumped in now. Get over yourself.

    And who gives a damn about best record in team history? It's still a non-playoff record, and in the NFL that means FAILURE. Especially after 3 previous years of FAILURE. How many coaches get 4 full years of FAILURE and don't get fired?
     

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