kipers new mock

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  1. mussop

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    1. Indianapolis Colts: QB Andrew Luck

    2. St. Louis Rams: WR Justin Blackmon

    3. Minnesota Vikings: OT Matt Kalil

    4. Cleveland Browns: QB Robert Griffin III

    5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: RB Trent Richardson

    6. Washington Redskins: CB Morris Claiborne

    7. Jacksonville Jaguars: DE Quinton Coples

    8. Carolina Panthers: DT Michael Brockers

    9, Miami Dolphins: OT Riley Reiff

    10. Buffalo Bills: LB Courtney Upshaw

    11. Kansas City Chiefs: Luke Kuechly

    12. Seattle Seahawks: DE Melvin Ingram

    13. Arizona Cardinals: OT Jonathan Martin

    14. Dallas Cowboys: S Mark Barron

    15. Philadelphia Eagles: DT Fletcher Cox

    16. New York Jets: G Cordy Glenn

    17. Cincinnati Bengals: CB Dre Kirkpatrick

    18. San Diego Chargers: WR Michael Floyd

    19. Chicago Bears: OT Mike Adams

    20. Tennessee Titans: DE Whitney Mercilus

    21. Cincinnati Bengals: G David DeCastro

    22. Cleveland Browns: WR Kendall Wright

    23. Detroit Lions: CB Janoris Jenkins

    24. Pittsburgh Steelers: DT Dontari Poe

    25. Denver Broncos: DT Devon Still

    26. Houston Texans: DT Jerel Worthy

    Me likey. :kingkong:

    27. New England Patriots: OLB Vinny Curry

    28. Green Bay Packers: S Harrison Smith

    29. Baltimore Ravens: C Peter Konz

    30. San Francisco 49ers: WR Rueben Randle

    31. New England Patriots: DT Kendall Reyes

    32. New York Giants: TE Dwayne Allen
     
  2. TimeKiller

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    I thought Devon Still was generally considered a top 10-15 pick? If it fell like this I'd rather see Konz in a Texans uni...
     
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    Still has been falling since the senior bowl. I would love Konz but he is no Worthy!
     
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    It would be a reach to move Jerel Worthy to play a position he is not familiar with. This mock falls apart to me quickly, not a big fan of his scouting abilities.
     
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    Agree with Beerlover's post.
     
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    They play different positions....and Konz is best OC in the draft. Worthy isn't the best DL by a wide margin.
     
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    If we don't sign Mario, Curry should be considered.
    If we don't sign Myers, Konz shouldn't be passed up.
    If Decastro is there, I say we take him if Myers is re-signed, regardless of what else happens.
    If Michael Floyd is there, I say we take him, but only if Konz and Decastro are gone.

    Lots of contingencies to consider, but we will have a much better idea by the end of March.
     
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    LOL I know who they are and what position they play. I guess my attempt at word play didn't workout like I thought it would. Also, what do positional rankings have to do with the price of butter in China?



    Like it was when we drafted JJ Watt who played 4/3 DE and started him at DE in our 3/4? Worthy's best attribute is his ability to penetrate. At 6'3" and 310 lbs with his explosive burst at the snap he could play inside or out in our defense. He is vocal and plays with alot of emotion. Can be real nasty but is has a high football IQ. He's known for pointing out things like hot receivers and run plays to team mates before plays.

    If somehow he is still available when we're up at 26 we should run up to the podium. He fits this defense in so many ways its scary.

    I'm wondering about your scouting abilities after that last comment. :peek:

    So where do you think this mock falls apart and why?
     


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    I don't understand the line of thinking that we should draft a DE in the first round if we loose Mario. Why? I love Decastro, there aren't a lot of players I would take in front of him. If we loose Meyers we better draft Konz. I'm not sold Smithiak thinks like all the fans and the media about our WR situation. I really hope the early portion of our draft goes to adding talent to our trenches be it OL or DL.

    Foster is incredible, we need to give him the best blocking possible while he is still young and at the top of his game. RB's don't last that long. With the way our defense flies around the ball we need major depth and talent in our front seven. As long as we see to it that those two things are taken care of we will be in good shape.
     
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    No it didn't. Just seemed like you thought they were comparable.
     
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    Worthy is no 3-4 DE. He did not play similar position either @ Michigan State. Now if Texans played in a 4-3 & needed a one gap DT that would be different. To compare him to Watt is inaccurate, nor does he fit NG or played that position either. Not a fit here.

    I've seen worse but c'mon he is supposed to be the authority or are you actually..... Mel? taking my comments personel?

    You don't pay me like you pay Kipper in golden laced gobblets :wesmantexanfan:
     
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    I don't pay anyone for scouting reports.
     
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    I'm not a fan of Mel Kiper, and I dislike his scouting even more. Last year he said we would take a receiver first, knowing our needs on defense.
     
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    You should, might help!

    Coples has great size but will need to improve technique, hence emphasis on his work ethic/consistency. His value should project to 15-20 not top 10.

    Mark Barron is not a first round pick. Kirkpatrick will need to play FS doesn't have fluid hips to play corner plus not overly fast. Again both reaches.

    Reiff should not be a top 10 pick, RT's should not go this high.

    Those are just a sampling of nitpicks the Patriot picks are downright horrible as is the Texans pick.

    Stay thirsty, my friend :wesmantexanfan:
     
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    As I think a good OG can be taken in 2nd, I'd take Wright or Floyd (if Texan would sign him due to off field issues).
     
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    Vinny Curry would be an OLB in our system, and I said he should be considered, not taken. It depends on how other things shake out in free agency. If we keep Myers, Brisiel and Foster, WR and OLB would be our top two positions of need. However, I expect Blackmon, Floyd and Wright to be off the board by 26, so I would rather spend that pick on a good OLB. That's all, it's just a bunch of IF statements :)

    As I said, each of those picks is dependent on free agency. If Myers leaves, we must take Konz to keep the o-line in tact. I belive Konz can easily come into our system and start week 1. Same with Decastro. If we lost both Myers and Brisiel, I would have a hard time picking between the two of those guys, but I think Decastro will be gone before Konz. Either way, I hope the Texans aren't forced to pick one of those two due to losses.

    I agree with that, but consider all the conditions here. If we keep Myers, Brisiel, Foster (I think that's reasonable) and lose Mario, wouldn't OLB be one of our top needs? We don't have much behind Barwin and Reed, and we need depth there. I think it would come down to OLB and WR, but given the free agency class, I would expect the Texans to pick up a WR more so than an OLB. There is a lot of talent at WR free agency and I would prefer filling that need through free agency. Good WRs are easier to find in this second round than OLBs too, so if that's the case, I would prefer going with Curry at 26 and seeing who falls to 58. Rueben Randel, Dwight Jones, Alshon Jeffery, Tommy Streeter, Sanu, etc etc, any of them could be there.
     
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    If Zeitler is who you're thinking of, I don't think he makes it to our 2nd round pick. I don't believe Wright or Floyd will be there at 26 either, but if they are I will be happy taking them.
     
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    My opinion has fluctuated on those exact players also. I'm rooting that Cleveland trades up to #2 for RG3 and theryby gives up the other first and somehow Alshon & Floyd are taken before Wright giving us a chance. It sort of pains me to have been right about Wright being so well thought of.
    Washington and Lonnie Edwards also interest me as OGs.
     
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    I can't imagine Myers or Brisiel leaving. Myers will be 31 and Brisiel will be 29 this year. They are suited to the Zone Blocking scheme. How many other teams run this exclusively like the Texans? Maybe Washington and Seattle. Both of those teams are trying to rebuild. Unless one of those teams, or any other team, throw a boatload of :money: at them, I don't see either one leaving. I think both want to stay and know they have a good thing going here and would be willing to take a little less $$$ to stay. Just hope they can work it all out with Mario, Foster, and the rest of the FA's.
     
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    I think Briesel is much more likely to leave than Myers. He could play in a power or zone scheme. Myers is 293 lbs soaking wet. He is too light in anything but a ZBS.
     

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