kastofsna Post-Schaub Mock

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  1. kastofsna

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    1: Oakland Raiders - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech
    2: Detroit Lions - Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
    3: Cleveland Browns - JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
    4: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
    5: Arizona Cardinals - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
    6: Washington Redskins - Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas
    7: Minnesota Vikings - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma
    8: Atlanta Falcons - Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
    9: Miami Dolphins - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
    10: Houston Texans - Reggie Nelson, S, Florida
    11: San Francisco 49ers - Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska
    12: Buffalo Bills - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal
    13: St. Louis Rams - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan
    14: Carolina Panthers - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss
    15: Pittsburgh Steelers - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan
    16: Green Bay Packers - LaRon Landry, S, LSU
    17: Jacksonville Jaguars - Ted Ginn, Jr, WR, Ohio State
    18: Cincinnati Bengals - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami (FL)
    19: Tennessee Titans - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee
    20: New York Giants - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State
    21: Denver Broncos - Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida
    22: Dallas Cowboys - Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
    23: Kansas City Chiefs - Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
    24: New England Patriots (f/Seattle) - Lawrence Timmons, LB, FSU
    25: New York Jets - Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas
    26: Philadelphia Eagles - Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC
    27: New Orleans Saints - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh
    28: New England Patriots - Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State
    29: Baltimore Ravens - Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas
    30: San Diego Chargers - Steve Smith, WR, USC
    31: Chicago Bears - Jon Beason, LB, Miami (FL)
    32: Indianapolis Colts - Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers
     
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    I like taking a S at this pick, especially with Brown gone, but why Nelson over Landry? Most have Landry rated higer.
     
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    The Texans supposedly made a deal for Schaub because they were certain Brady Quinn wouldn't fall to 8.
     
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    I can believe that...
     
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    Do you think we could trade down and create a bidding war between Buffalo and GB for the services of Marshwn lynch? If so, whats the most you think we could get?
     
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    But with the 2 2nd rounders they traded away they cuold have moved up enough to get him. I don't like the trade
     
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    I'd laugh it if wasn't so sad...Overrated Levi to the eight and Atalnta...too funny. That would make #3 we let sail off into the sunset. Nice Mock...since we're one player away now that we have the franchise QB on board, and are going to the super bowl next year, might as well go whole haug there Kast and sitck Ginn jr. at the ten.
     
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    i don't necessarily buy that. i look at this deal similiar to the saints signing drew brees before the draft. they had their look at the top 3 QB's in the draft, but decided to take the vet.

    as for nelson vs. landry, i'm sure most teams have nelson higher. because athletically, he and landry are very similiar. but nelson is a bigger playmaker, and brings more to the table. in fact, i think most teams probably look at landry as just a "good" safety, with lots of athletic ability.

    i think a lot of people here are overrating landry a tad.
     


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    Bottom line if we stay at 10, we're going to get a stud & fill a serious need for us at the same time, which is why i'm ok with the trade for schaub.

    Someone said it in another thread, Schaub is basically our 2nd round pick for this year & had he been coming out this year, he likely could have had a Cutler-like rise in the draft & been a higher pick than he was when he came out with Eli, Rivers & Ben.

    So we basically got him for a 2nd rounder in 2008 & a 2 spot swap of our 1st rounders this year. That's not to bad for me considering how this could potentially set us up for 10 years at the QB spot.

    If it doesn't pan out............... well, we can always put new wheels on the "start sage" bandwagon.
     
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    Quinn won't drop past the Bucs and Landry isn't falling out of the top ten. Terrible mock.
     
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    Why because you've over valued Landry since '06 ? He's going to fall. And there's a reason he's going to fall.
     
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    I think you can pencil in ATL at #1 making a move up for CJ. Expect it now.
     
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    you're wrong on both points there. no reason to think gruden would take quinn. none. good insight.
     
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    Since 06? Umm no Landry has been on the NFL radar since his freshman year when he lead an National Title team in tackles. It's not just me who has Landry rated high it's pretty much everyone. Mike Mayock said he was a better prospect than Huff and Whitner.

    I went to the Cardinals website awhile back they were talking about drafting him, went to the Skins website they are talking about drafting him, went to the Vikings website they are talking about drafting him, Falcons fans want him badly,went to the Pats and Chargers sites they have threads talking about trading up to get him. So yeah it's pretty much just you saying he's overrated.

    Saying Landry is overrated is the dumbest thing I've read yet on this site.
     
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    No there is every reason to think Gruden would take Quinn. Why wouldn't he? Because Grad and Simms are just lighting it up? Please.

    I'm right on both counts and your talent evaluation still sucks. Sorry.
     
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    they may want to. but i'm not expecting it to happen. if atlanta throws in their 1st rounder, both 2nds and even their 3rd, they'd be short by about 200 points, going by the value chart. i.e. another early 2nd rounder. besides, i don't see any way oakland doesn't take johnson themselves.
     
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    Which will in turn make me even more angry watching another one of our towes float off into Al Davis' hands. Too funny. IF they can met Al's price. I think that's just the media speculating. Home towne guy going to the home town team with a need at WR. Sounds kinda fimiluar doesn't it ? Switch Wr with QB and you've got daja vu all over again.
     
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    ah okay.
     
  19. Xman

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    The scouting reports on Landry and Nelson below:

    either one would work for us - Landry seems to be a better leader (which I think we could use) and against the run; Nelson would be a little better aganst the pass

    Laron Landry
    S | (6'2", 202, 4.49) | LSU

    Scouts Grade: 96
    Strengths: Possesses good height, decent bulk and the frame to get bigger. Shows good fluidity and top-end speed. He consistently gets a quick break on the ball and diagnoses the run very quickly. He shows good toughness and strength in run support, especially for his size. He fills hard and shows adequate power at the point of attack. Sideline-to-sideline playmaker versus the run. He displays better-than-average range in zone coverage and he also can match up one-on-one versus slot receivers in the NFL. He is an instinctive playmaker with adequate-to-good ball skills. He has a good mental capacity and coaches rave about his ability to pick things up quickly. He is a good leader in the secondary and does a great job of getting everyone in position. He has tremendous experience as a four-year starter at the highest collegiate level. He also has been extremely versatile in LSU's secondary throughout his career.

    Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk. Until he gets bigger he will not be able to match up as easily in-the-box at the NFL level as he has in college. He will misjudge the ball in the air on occasion and he still can improve his recognition skills when playing in deep-middle zone coverage.

    Overall: Landry played in all 14 games (10 starts) as a true freshman in 2003 and recorded 80 total tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, three sacks, two interceptions, four pass-breakups, and one blocked kick. He was knocked out of the Arkansas game (11/28) with a concussion. In 2004, Landry started all 12 games finishing the season with 92 total tackles, five tackles for loss, three sacks, four interceptions, six pass-breakups, and one forced fumble. He once again started every game (13) in 2005 registering 69 total tackles, four tackles for loss, one sack, three interceptions, and eight pass-breakups. In 2006 he started all 13 games, earning first team All-American and first team All-SEC honors (both media and coaches), after collecting 74 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, one sack, one forced fumble, one blocked kick, and three interceptions. Over the past four seasons, Landry has seen time at free safety, strong safety, and cornerback.
    Landry is as close to the complete package as it gets for a safety prospect coming from the collegiate ranks. He projects as an immediate starter at free safety in the NFL; he can hold up in the box, in deep-middle zone coverage and one-on-one versus a slot receiver. In our opinion, Landry is the top safety in the 2007 class and he should come off the board in the first-half of the first round.

    Reggie Nelson
    S | (6'0", 198, 4.43) | FLORIDA

    Scouts Grade: 95

    Strengths: A centerfielder type with outstanding athletic ability and speed. He shows good leverage and quickness in his pedal. Gets a deep drop and does a fine job of keeping the play in front of him. He shows excellent range in zone coverage. Consistently displays the ability to reach the sideline as a cover-3 free safety down the middle. He's instinctive and diagnoses plays quickly in coverage; he does a very good job of reading quarterbacks' eyes while dropping. He displays good ball skills and will catch the ball at its highest point. He shows very good closing burst in coverage and in run support. He isn't afraid to throw his body around. Lowers his shoulder and shows good initial pop for his size. He will play the ball first, but he also will play the body when he can't get to the ball.

    Weaknesses: Lacks ideal size and strength. Is not capable of matching up in the box. Much better in coverage than in run support. He's frequently late in diagnosing the run. He shows good initial pop for his size but he's not overly strong as a tackler. He leads with his shoulder on most occasions and looks for the knockout blow. As a result, he puts his head down and fails to wrap up on too many occasions. He has struggled academically; there are concerns regarding his mental capacity and ability to get his teammates lined up from the safety position.

    Overall: Nelson originally attended Coffeyville (Kan.) Community College in 2003 after failing to qualify academically and played football there during the 2004 season, when he registered a team-high 72 tackles, six interceptions (one returned for a touchdown), two fumble recoveries, and four blocked kicks. He transferred to Florida in January of 2005 and then appeared in 11 contests (four starts) before tearing a knee ligament during bowl practice which required surgery, finishing the year with 46 total tackles, four tackles for loss, one forced fumble, one pass defended, and one interception. In 2006, Nelson became a first team All-American after starting all 14 games and recording 51 total tackles, two tackles for loss, six interceptions (one returned for a touchdown), five pass-breakups, one fumble recovery, and two blocked kicks. He also returned 12 punts for 93 yards in 2006.
    Nelson lacks ideal size and he has limitations in run support. However, he possesses outstanding speed, athletic ability and ball skills in coverage. He has the best range of any safety prospect in the 2007 class and he can instantly upgrade the coverage skills of an NFL secondary as a centerfielder-type free safety. Nelson projects as one of the top-three safety prospects in this year's class and he should be taken in the mid-to-late portion of the first round.
     
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    1: Oakland Raiders - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech - ok
    2: Detroit Lions - Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin - ok
    3: Cleveland Browns - JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU - hmmmmm, I think they go Peterson. And, if the rumor of the owner mandating a QB is true, couldn't Quinn be their first choice?
    4: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville - fills a need with a talent, and it sucks for them if CJ and Thomas are gone.
    5: Arizona Cardinals - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson: Perfect fit if Thomas is gone.

    This is where it gets interesting. I know it is impossible to project trades with ANY chance of success. But, If Quinn and/or Peterson are on the board at this point, then Wash (and/or Minny) is dealing down.

    6: Washington Redskins - Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas - ok
    7: Minnesota Vikings - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma: Would take him and trade down (but to keep hm would create cap problems unless they cut Taylor which would create cap problems: same reason Washington won't keep him if they draft him)
    8: Atlanta Falcons - Levi Brown, OT, Penn State: ok, but could easily be Landry.
    9: Miami Dolphins - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame: I could see either Okoye or Branch going here - but they did resign their (old) DTs. Secondary and OL could use help. Quinn would be too good to pass up here but I think he will be gone. So, I think . . . . Leon Hall.
    10: Houston Texans - Reggie Nelson, S, Florida: Woeks for me. But so does Nelson/Okoye/Branch/Houston/Revis or Willis. So, hopefully we trade down a few spots.
    11: San Francisco 49ers - Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska - ok
    12: Buffalo Bills - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal - ok
    13: St. Louis Rams - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan - ok, a steal if there: OLB (Willis) or DE Carriker works for them also.
    14: Carolina Panthers - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss - ok bpa
    15: Pittsburgh Steelers - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan - ok bpa: Would go OL if there was a worthy one here.
    16: Green Bay Packers - LaRon Landry, S, LSU - bpa; I think Landry is gone so thye go CB, but might take Ginn if he is there.
    17: Jacksonville Jaguars - Ted Ginn, Jr, WR, Ohio State - another WR? Value is good though. Not sure what they need - a stud LB?
    18: Cincinnati Bengals - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami (FL): fills a major need but it seems a little early to take this guy.
    19: Tennessee Titans - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee - best WR makes sense.
    20: New York Giants - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State: I like Polu so this works for me, but could go WR or OL here also.
    21: Denver Broncos - Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida works for me
    22: Dallas Cowboys - Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan: Makes sense for the long haul.
    23: Kansas City Chiefs - Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU: Fills a huge hole.
    24: New England Patriots (f/Seattle) - Lawrence Timmons, LB, FSU
    25: New York Jets - Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas: have other needs but if this guy slips it would be a coup. BPA or they make a trade.
    26: Philadelphia Eagles - Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC; makes sense for them.
    27: New Orleans Saints - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh: Will take the best cb available
    28: New England Patriots - Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State: I see them taking a LB at 24 and a S with this pick - Meriweather or Griffin.
    29: Baltimore Ravens - Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas: they take the best big ugly OL on the board
    30: San Diego Chargers - Steve Smith, WR, USC - Best WR - but maybe Bowe or Meachum slips instead.
    31: Chicago Bears - Jon Beason, LB, Miami (FL) - works - but a nice WR or OG could work also
    32: Indianapolis Colts - Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers - I see a LB here - probably Beason if there, otherwise Rufus Alexander
     

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