K. Walter or J. Mathis?!

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Who's better at #3 Reciever?!

Poll closed Jul 21, 2006.
  1. Kevin Walters

    80.3%
  2. Jerome Mathis

    12.8%
  3. Other

    6.8%
  1. johnny_tlmn

    johnny_tlmn Guest

    Kevin Walter is finally coming out of the shadows, and he may be part Kubiak’s vision of the Texans’ future. What part he will play in that future is still unknown, but Kubiak is very optimistic he will play a big role in the offense With Johnson and Moulds as the two elements of the equation, could Walter be the answer or could it be Mathis?!:stirpot:
     
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  2. Texans86

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    Currently, I believe Walter has the edge as he seems to be more polished as a reciever, and Mathis will be out until the regular season. He needed this time to continue his learning at WR, and now he is falling more and more behind. No one doubts his skill at KR, and he showed flashes at WR last season, but Kubiak seems to be putting more emphasis on size and physicallity than speed. That doesn't help Mathis' position at all.
     
  3. TexanFan881

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    I think it would rather be stated as Kevin Walter, Derick Armstrong, or Derrick Lewis. It's going to be a good battle, for the #3 WR position, and to make the team. Don't you just love competition. :)
     
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    infantrycak Semi-grand Poobah Staff Member

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    Jerome Mathis was targeted 13 times last year resulting in 5 receptions (38.5% caught, 13 ypr, 15.4% 1st down) and 2 drops.

    Kevin Walter was targeted 29 times last year resulting in 19 receptions (65.5% caught, 11.1 ypr, 48.3% 1st down) and 1 drop.

    As fast as he is, Mathis has a lot to learn about route running and may (the sample size is very small) need to work on his hands. At this point he isn't in the #3 WR race IMO.
     
  5. DRAMA

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    Well, look at it like this - when Kubes got here, he went out and got Walter. He prrrrrrrobably knows something that we don't about the guy.
     
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    I (obviously) saw a lot of prospect in Mathis last year, but I don't think he is ready for #3 behind Moulds. Walters will fit in perfectly, and Mathis should take this year to both recover from his injury and soften up his hands.
     
  7. TexanFan881

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    With Mathis' injury, I think the #4 WR position battle between Derrick Lewis, Derick Armstrong, and Jerome Mathis is going to be the biggest battle, because 1 will miss the team and since Derrick Lewis can KR that risks Mathis (even though I think it's too early to give up on him and Derrick will get the boot because of his age)
     
  8. Scooter

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    other - i'm pulling for derrick "i just catch everything" armstrong.
     
  9. Corrosion

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    Mathis isnt even in the equasion for the #3 WR spot at this point . He was RAW coming out of college . His team didnt even have a WR coach . To this point he's gotten by on talent alone (which you can do on special teams) and hasnt put in the work . Until that happens he wont crack the top 3 on any team much less one coached by Kubiak .

    I'd prefer Walters or Armstrong who I think should have been given a shot last season over the combination of Bradford and Gaffeny .
     
  10. LORK 88

    LORK 88 Wreck'em Ŧech!

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    my thoughts exactly. This guy might end up on the PUP list which equals no action til week 6, is injured, and has 5 catches his entire career. Is this thread a Madden-Based question, or are some people seriously considering him our #3 right now? Walters could turn out as our #2 in the long run, Mathis has a LOOOOOONG way to go just to get to where he was last season . . .
     
  11. the wonger need food

    the wonger need food Hall of Fame

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    Walter was never in the shadows. He was one of Kubiak's first (4th overall) free agent signings and was brought in to be his Ed McCaffrey. It's his job to lose.
     
  12. TEXANRED

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    I would have to agree. He reminds me of an old Oiler receiver, I think his name was Cole, Coleman, Coles, somthing like that, anywho, one season he had 70 or 75 catches no touchdowns but was your clutch go to guy on third down. He may not have been able to torch it down the field for a score but was able to keep the chains moving.

    Much like Jay Novaceck(spl) did for the Cowboys.

    IMHO it is these types of players that define championship teams.

    Lets face it, as of right now, AJ hasen't shown to be clutch, I don't know how clutch Moulds has been and know nothing of Walters. I do know Mathis is a younger faster Corey Bradford.

    But who really knows anything?
     
  13. Low Life

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    I'm with you guys on Armstrong. That dude is money. What are his stats on targeted/completions/drops?
     
  14. Bearfan Blue and Orange

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    CAREER STATS
    RECEIVING
    Stats Team G GS REC YDS AVG LONG TD
    2003 Texans 9 1 7 75 10.7 18 1
    2004 Texans 14 1 29 415 14.3 44 1
    2005 Texans 13 3 9 115 12.8 28 0
    Career 36 5 45 605 13.4 44 2
     
  15. Bearfan Blue and Orange

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    Here is a link to the split stats on Derrick Armstrong. It show how many times he was targeted (thrown to) and caught, situations, ect.

    http://footballguys.com/ArmsDe00-4.php

    This does not mean he dropped the ball, it just means it was thrown in his direction, catchable or not.
     
  16. GoTexans

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    Mathis should just return kicks that's what got him in the pro bowl.
     
  17. Scooter

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    for the very small sampling to go off of (not really enough to justify anything), that's a pretty strong target to catch ratio with 62 total targets and 45 catches, a better percentage of catches than any other receiver on our roster. especially when compared against andre johnson & corey bradford ... bradford barely beating the 50% catch mark in 04 & 05, and failing to even do reach it in 02 & 03. receiving numbers are near impossible to use accurately though because they dont take into account drops, poor or impossible passes, defense, and "how'd he catch that?!" plays.
     
  18. Vambo, the Marble Eye

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    Mathis is just too green... doesn't have "football knowledge yet".

    Once he figures out what he is doing... his speed will make him a major receiver later on. Being hurt isn't just isn't helping his education.
     
  19. TK_Gamer

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    I agree with most, mathis even without the injury is not even in contention for the #3 spot or the #4 spot. I think he makes the team, but for kick returner and future WR possibilties. he needs to work ALOT on route runnig and catching the ball

    receiving numbers are near impossible to use accurately though because they dont take into account drops, poor or impossible passes, defense, and "how'd he catch that?!" plays

    Ithink thats one thing in carr's favor also when he misses he usually over throws it. so most drops from carr are just that, drops
     
  20. powerfuldragon

    powerfuldragon g'mornin to you

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    Derrick 'stickum' Armstrong is underutilized IMO.
     

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