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kastofsna said:
as you said earlier in this thread, it's not about MY opinion, or about YOUR opinion, it's about what the media, and society in general, perceives. to the media, they look at a brawl in hockey or baseball as a part of the game. they happen ALL THE TIME and never get more than a few highlights on sportscenter. in football and basketball, it's a huge deal when there's any sort of mass brawl. because A) they rarely happen and B) it's certainly not a part of the game.
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So I guess it's just coincidence that the two sports populated most by Blacks are the ones where "fights are a bigger deal"...

This has nothing to do with the history of a sport...absolutely nothing...

Fighting is fighting....Bench clearing brawls are bench clearing brawls....

I'm talking about individual players and people being labled...

All you are saying is that even though these people over here are doing the same thing as those people over there it's ok because....blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....blah.....
 
haha...when i first heard this story all i could think of was the superbowl interview with joey porter about jeremy stevens...when porter is asking the reporters who they would want with them in a dark alley

porter is the classic example of a brawler on and off the field...a lot of guys on the field are naturally going to like him due to his attitude...it's also going to rub the guys on the other side the wrong way...him and levi jones have had many battles on the field...to me it was a matter of time before an off the field battle happened
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR PERSONAL VIEW POINTS.
You're arguing against the fact that there is a general bias towards young black athletes, and young blacks in general and I'm not really sure how you can argue that.
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First off, I challenge you to find the word "black" (or Hispanic, White, Asian,etc.) in any of my previous posts in this thread. My argument had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with RACE, it had to do with the descriptive phrase "thuggish behavior".

You sir are arguing something as fact, (see your bolded word above) that is anything but. Are you surprised that your assertions have gone challenged by others in this thread?

Ride the high-horse w/ the chip on your shoulder if you must, but please don't make the mistake of attributing things to me that I didn't say.
 
All I've done in this thread is present my side of the argument, brought up a few situations that you either do or don't agree with and I've stated several times that it has nothing to do with individual view points...

Why do you and Kast feel the need to include snide remarks, and personal attacks in each one of your post ?

serious question.
 
Another wrinkle to the story....if it's true, then this is thuggish.

JONES WUZ ROBBED?

Bengals tackle Levi Jones now claims that, during the Sunday night incident in which Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter allegedly beat him up, Jones also was robbed.

Per Bengals.com, some jewelry alleged was stolen from Jones as part of the incident, and that as many as seven people (including Porter) were involved in the attack on Jones. (The whereabouts of Porters' dogs at the time of the incident are unknown.)

Porter showed up in Miami on Monday for the first day of the team's offseason strength and conditioning program.
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xtruroyaltyx said:
None of those guys were called "thugs" or associated with "thug life" or being a "gangster"...

I'm not asking you to agree. I'm telling you how it is.

If a young black athlete does something wrong...fist fight, drugs...whatever...He's called a thug...

No other race is.
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Try googling Romanowski or Marty McSorley with the word thug. You might be surprised.
 
What is a thug?
Michael Vick flap has some asking if the word has become a racial slur

By JOHN KESSLER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 01/25/07

In discussion of Michael Vick's latest trial by public opinion, a word keeps popping up to tarnish the image of Atlanta's $130 million man.

Thug.


CURTIS COMPTON/Staff
(ENLARGE)
Quarterback Michael Vick's hip-hop fashion sense and recent off-field problems have prompted some, including talk-show host Neal Boortz, to call him a thug.

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Considering that Vick is not a hardened criminal or known to be a gang member, has the use of the word "thug" about him, and other young black men, started to sound like a racial epithet?

"I've been astonished at the blanket bigotry in some cases," said Jamie Dukes, the 680 the Fan talk host and former Florida State offensive guard. "Thuggery denotes a criminal element."

How did a word with roots in Hindi and historical associations with the likes of Al Capone emerge as another marker on the fault line in America's race relations?

Last Friday, as Vick's latest unfortunate event unfolded, these fault lines became explicit on talk radio, in sports blogs and around the office coffee pot.

Bloggers on ajc.com have hurled the word at Vick and analyzed its meaning at length.

One popular talk-show host, as well, made no effort to avoid the word.

"That's the way I look at him," said syndicated talk-show host Neal Boortz in a telephone interview after he aired a show last Friday that was critical of Vick. "There's no doubt that he's immensely talented as a football player, but when he's off the field, he just becomes another two-bit gangster thug walking around the streets with his pants down eight inches about his knees and God knows what else."

Vick's hip-hop fashion sense, cornrows and jewelry drew as much condemnation in these arenas of public discourse as his string of unrelated personal problems. The incident last week at the Miami airport was the latest to draw attention, with an accusation that Vick tried to take marijuana through the Miami airport dismissed Tuesday. (Earlier this year Vick made an obscene gesture to game spectators and settled a lawsuit alleging he knowingly infected a woman with herpes.)

"It's become a very racially sensitive discussion," observes Steak Shapiro, host of 790 The Zone's "Mayhem in the A.M." sports talk radio program, with some callers basically saying, "If a white athlete screws up, he's made a poor decision; if a black athlete screws up, he's a thug."

"It's just an irresponsible way to label somebody," says Atlanta Hawks captain Joe Johnson.

From India to White House

The word came into the English language in the early 19th-century from India, where it was used in several languages to refer a murderous group.

In traditional English usage, thugs often refer to henchmen in organized crime syndicates. President George H.W. Bush memorably called General Manuel Antonio Noriega of Panama a thug in 1989 before capturing him and bringing him to trial in the United States.

Around the same time, the word also gained popularity in the National Basketball Association when intimidating, temperamental black players were labeled "thugs on the court."

However the word's great champion was the late rapper Tupac Shakur, who popularized the phrase "thug life" to describe inner-city violence in the 1990s. (He also founded a hip-hop group with that name.) In his hit song "Shorty Wanna Be a Thug," Shakur described how a young black man from a middle-class family was drawn into a violent street life. He condemned the lifestyle but also romanticized its ensuing code of ethics. The word has been featured prominently in hip-hop culture.

Jesse Sheidlower, editor at large of the Oxford English Dictionary, calls this process - turning a pejorative word on its head - amelioration. Minority groups can "defuse a word's impact by using it in a positive way."

The O.E.D.'s definition notes this amelioration in a definition of the adjective thugged out:

"Resembling a thug in dress or behaviour, tough-looking. In extended use, as a term of approval: tough, hardened, or dispassionate."

Sheidlower also notes that "it's typical for in-group amelioration not to extend past the group." In other words, a minority group may reclaim an epithet for self referential use but it remains a slur outside of the group.

For the record, Sheidlower has not noted "thug" used as a pejorative term by whites to describe young black men.

Johnson of the Hawks disagrees. "I do think it's definitely a race-based stereotype. And I think it's one that, in our culture today, too many people are willing to accept and tolerate, even when they know it's wrong."

Staff writer Sekou Smith contributed the quote from Joe Johnson.
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http://www.ajc.com/living/content/living/stories/2007/01/24/0125LVthug.html
 
I read the article and it made some interesting points. I certainly don't think someone should be labeled a thug for the way they dress. Or talk. Or their race.

But, Porter & Jones were labeled as thugs for their actions. Don't want to be called a thug? Pretty simple solution. Stop acting like one.
 
Lucky said:
I read the article and it made some interesting points. I certainly don't think someone should be labeled a thug for the way the dress. Or talk. Or their race.

But, Porter & Jones were labeled as thugs for their actions. Don't want to be called a thug? Pretty simple solution. Stop acting like one.
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I understand that...

And My original comment just stemmed from seeing the word thug...and it really didn't have anything to do with a specific situation...

My thoughts are moreso along the lines of the article I posted, but I guess my thoughts weren't properly conveyed...
 
i've been reading over this whole thing and i've come to the conclusion that xtru is definitely right. The word thug seems to become more and more of a racial specific word.

kastofsna....your opinions are what i like to call non sequitir.

you say "thuggish" means a very aggressive behavior, and always in a group. this is why these NBA fights are called "thuggish" because it's a bunch of dudes ganging up and throwing hands."

then you say "the difference is, in baseball and hockey, these incidents are pretty much part of the game. they don't call a bench-clearing brawl "thuggish behavior" because it's almost anticipated after a few too many pitches inside."

What's the difference between too many pitches inside and too many flagrant fouls near the basket?.....or better yet too many late hits on the quaterback?


Why is it that the players in sports with little or no thuggish behavior are degraded and presented as thugs when the players in sports that confrontations occur more are seen as "part of the game" and aren't seen in the same light?
It looks like a racial thing to me.

you said "in basketball and football, there's no unwritten "allowance" of any violence at all. when there's a fight in either sport, it's regarded as a horrible unsportsmanlike event. "

^Why would it be viewed as a "horrible unsportsmanlike event" when basketball contains more legal contact than baseball, and football involves more legal collisons than hockey?
 
According to an on-air guy here in Denver, he and a bud were there just a couple of tables away and Porter cleaned Levi's clock, in fact he kicked it a couple of time when Jones was on the carpet and Jones was bleeding big time when they took him out of the casino. Wasn't just a little dust up as it is being made out to be as it seems about 6 "Real big guys" were duking it out in the casino. Took security nearly 2 min. to get there and the guy that arrived was about 5'7" and almost 155 lbs. Had to wait for more troops. So says a guy that was supposidly there.
 
wouldn't surprise me...porter isn't the type to take it easy on or off the field...the dude's a brawler...and if he wasn't playing football i could easily see him doing the pro boxing thing...maybe even ultimate fighting...levi jones is another story
 
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