Jake Coker

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  1. Texian

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    There has been a good amount of talk concerning Jake Coker, enough for him to warrant his own thread. I inadvertently started the Coker brouhaha when I casually mentioned that Jake Coker had peeked my interest and that he could be an undiscovered diamond in the rough. Here is why Coker peeked my interest.

    It really began while watching the Georgia game and my eyes really opened with the two big time NFL type passes at the end of the Tenn game that allowed Alabama to win the game. Since then Coker and Alabama has gotten better every game.

    HISTORY

    Coker attended St. Paul's Episcopal School in Mobile AL. He ran a Winged T offense that was run first and passed 10 -12 times a game as a Junior and switched to a Pro Style Offense as a Senior. As a result he wasn't high on many radars. Fisher saw enough to offer him a scholarship. (Fisher may be closer a real QB Guru or Whisperer)

    Jake Coker signed with FSU 2011 class. He was a red shirt in 2011. 2012 a red shirt freshman he backed up EJ Manuel. 2013 he competed with Jamies Winston for the starting position. A foot injury limited Coker's participation in spring ball. In fall training it was neck and neck, as it was reported;

    "Would it be Winston, redshirt junior Clint Trickett or redshirt sophomore Jacob Coker? The latter was a 6'5, 230-pound gem with one of the strongest arms to ever come through Tallahassee.....With Coker battling a foot injury in spring, Winston gained the early edge.......Over the summer, Winston and Coker worked with the first-team offense -- a battle that would extend into fall camp. And Coker, by all accounts, had an excellent fall. Winston had great days and bad days, and the battle was legitimately close between the pair...............The staff was legitimately torn on which should start, but after consulting with some trusted advisors and coaches, Fisher settled on Winston."

    http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...onship-jimbo-fisher-jameis-winston-2013-recap


    Coker graduated early from FSU and in January 2014 transferred to Alabama without having to miss time. In 2014 Coker a red shirt Junior was beat out by Senior Blake Sims.

    In reading press clippings and listening to interviews it was a battle through Sept. 2014. It came down to Sims who was a Senior and had been at Alabama his entire time and favorite among teammates. Sims had a better understanding and feel for the Alabama offense and system and was the much better runner, why he won the job. Coker was clearly the much better talent in the pocket but lacked familiarity.

    A year later, Jake Coker enters the fall in a similar position, widely viewed as the favorite to win Alabama's starting quarterback job."

    The big difference? The former Florida State transfer is more comfortable running the Tide's offense after first enrolling at Alabama following spring practice last year.

    "Jake Coker has done an outstanding job for us," coach Nick Saban said Wednesday at SEC Media Days. "I think he's made a tremendous amount of improvement. I think that a better understanding, better knowledge of the system, better knowledge of what we expect [and] what's expected of him in our offense are all things that have contributed to his confidence and his performance level.

    "We just want to see him continue to develop the kind of consistency to make the kind of decisions and judgments to process the information quickly and make quick decisions that allows him to play winning football at his position. We're encouraged by all the things that he's done to this point."


    http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2015/07/nick_saban_encouraged_by_alaba.html

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    Fisher firmly believes that Coker is the right man to take over for the Tide.

    "Including what they've had, he's much more talented than anything they've had," said Fisher, per TideSports.com's D.C. Reeves. "I don't mean to discredit the previous guys, they were all great. But this guy is extremely talented. Arm and mind."

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ake-sims-latest-updates-on-alabamas-qb-battle

    Now that Coker finally has his chance to start, he seems to be making the most of it.......TO BE CONTINUED.
     
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  2. Texian

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    Now there have been a few who have discredited Jake Coker as a not so good QB because he lost out to Jamies Winston and Blake Sims and also because Jake transferred from FSU. I'm looking at it from a different angle and why I think Coker could be that diamond in the rough.

    Yes, no question Coker lost out to Winston in 2013. However if Coker doesn't have a foot injury during Spring practice does he gain the edge on Winston? By all accounts the competition went down to the wire. Jamies Winston went on to WIN the National Championship, the Heisman Trophy and become the #1 pick in the 2015 NFL Draft.

    So I have to ask, losing out on a very close race to guy with those credentials, does that arbitrarily make you a bad garbage QB? I would say no, that means you could be as good as the guy who beat you out, maybe better and one of my many reasons why Coker could be a diamond in the rough.

    Is it possible that Jake Coker could be a better NFL QB than Jamies Winston? I would say quite possibly.

    THE TRANSFER - Some are acting like Coker transferring is a BIG Red Flag and akin to transferring to Jacksonville St. In most cases it is when a backup QB transfers to another school. In this case nothing could be further from the truth and one reason of many why I think Coker could be a diamond in the rough. After graduating early from FSU, Coker transferred to Alabama and Nick Saban of all people in Jan 2014 (SO WE KNOW HE"S SMART). At the time Winston was still a Seminole and classified 2016 Red Shirt Senior. Winston could've been the starting QB for FSU until 2016 season (Coker is gone in 2015).

    Jimbo Fisher and Nick Saban are friends, both have a special tie to West Virginia. I'm sure Jimbo sat down with Jake after the 2013 National Championship season to discuss Jake's options. I'm guessing after that meeting, Fisher's first call was to his friend Nick Saban.

    The Sims is better than Coker Debate
    - there are some who want to argue and make the point that Blake Sims was a much better QB than Jake Coker because of his stats and production thus far. I say this is not one of those that you can really prove. I'll just point out the following which I think could be additional reasons why Jake Coker could be a diamond in the rough.

    Blake Sims was going into his 4th year with Alabama, Jake Coker his first.

    Blake Sims operated an offense that had All American WR Amari Cooper.

    Jake Coker's offense does not have Amari Cooper and has 9 new starters on the offense.

    What kind of production would Blake Sims been able to produce without Amari Cooper and 9 new starters on offense?

    How much better a QB would Coker be if he had an Amari Cooper and 9 Senior starters on his offense?

    Saban discusses Coker's progress after the Georgia game (5:40 mark)
    http://videos.al.com/al/2015/10/watch_nick_saban_discuss_alaba.html

    ............TO BE CONTINUED
     
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    Some have mentioned and pointed out that Nick Saban, Jimbo Fisher and Lane Kiffin have a poor track record of producing successful NFL QBs.

    My response is, who hasn't? Who are all these great coaches filling the NFL coffers with successful QBs?

    THE DEBATE -

    "Just a question but what QB have Fisher/Saban/Kiffin coached in college that went on to be an even decent NFL QB? I can't think of one. Playing in a pro system is great but I seriously can't think of one QB that any of those guys have developed."

    Saban: A.J. McCarron, Greg McElroy, Matt Mauk, Rohan Davey, Craig Nall, Tony Banks
    Fisher: E.J. Manuel, Christian Ponder, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Mauk, Rohan Davey, Craig Nall
    Kiffin: Matt Barkley, Jonathan Crompton, Matt Leinart, Matt Cassell

    "Those are two great college coaches. Two great coaches that have been around for a looong time. If that's enough evidence for you to make a player evaluation then surely over that period of time you would be able to name one pro style QB that either Jimbo Fisher or Nick Saban coached that went on to have NFL success. Seriously, name just one."


    MY RESPONSE

    These coaches have a process, a system where they recruit specific players for their program which may not necessarily be a prototype NFL QB. However, just because they haven't doesn't mean they can't. If that was their single mission then they likely have a higher success rate.

    Let's take a look at the other side of the coin and the college QBs mentioned above. One could argue very strongly that each coach mentioned above does in fact have a very high percentage of QBs that were at least invited to an NFL camp, some drafted, some stayed long enough for a cup coffee. I don't know what the numbers and percentages are but I would bet those three coaches have a much higher percentage of QBs invited to an NFL tryout than most other head coaches in college today.

    Looking completely from the opposite side of this argument, almost everyone of the QBs listed was a highly successful college QB in his own right. I ask, would those QBs had the same success playing for someone else? I don't think so. Those above listed QBs who did have the opportunity to try out for an NFL team, would they have had the same opportunity playing for another head coach, probably not.

    TO BE CONTINUED......
     
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    I like what I have seen but would not the "system" and being a "game manager" be the kiss of death?
     
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    The "system" is a Pro Style offense. A QB coming from such a college program has a leg up and much further along on the learning curve, as opposed to those QBs who come from a "Spread" or "Read Option" "System" and will still have to learn all the intricacies of the Pro Style "System".

    The terms "Game Manager" is a colloquialism often used by pundits to describe a QB who has marginal skills and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. A QB who doesn't have any outstanding qualities but can still win. From a coach's perspective, a "Game Manager" is a QB who completely understands the game plan, can operate and execute it with a high degree of excellence and precision while making the least amount of mistakes possible. When a pundit writes or says a player is a Game Manager it could mean something completely different than when Saban says, "he managed the game well."

    Both Fisher and Saban have had high praise for Coker's skills and decision making. Fisher speaking about all Alabama QBs of the last 10 years; "Including what they've had, he's much more talented than anything they've had," said Fisher, per TideSports.com's D.C. Reeves. "I don't mean to discredit the previous guys, they were all great. But this guy is extremely talented. Arm and mind."

    My answer to your question is, no. Coker is running a system that translates best to the NFL game. Being a "Game Manager" (coach definition) is NOT a bad thing, it's a good thing, it's actually a positive quality a coach would want in his QB. Being a "Game Manager" with a BIG Time NFL arm and a smart decision maker is even better.

    Intricacies of the Pro Style "System" that you don't get from the Spread.
    *Taking snap from UNDER Center.
    *Left foot slightly recessed that allows for a quicker and deeper drop (right hand)
    *Fast 3 step drop = 3 yd pass
    *Slow 3 step drop = 5 yd pass
    * 5 step drop, 7 step drop etc etc.
    *play action from UNDER Center
    *Boot leg from UNDER Center
    *Instead of turning and handing ball to RB from shotgun, from UNDER Center QB makes a 3 step process to hand ball to RB that is coordinated with OL blocking that coincides with precision timing for the hole to open.

    Basically timing and footwork is completely different vs the Spread. You get the picture and basically from the "Spread" they don't do any of the above.
     
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    One hour until Coker Time. Things go Better with Coker. Coker It's the Real Thing. Coker adds Life. Coker is It! The Coker Side of Life.
     
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    13 Comp 21 ATT 120 YDs 61.9% 5.7 YPA 0 Sacks 0 YDs Lost 1 TD 1 INT 116.1 QB Rating

    Miss St was able to get good pressure on Coker much of the time. The fact that Coker was able to avoid a sack is what's most impressive about his performance. Ridley had 3 easy drops.
     
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    It was a near perfect game for Jake Coker. Playing against what was considered the JV, this went pretty much as expected. If it hadn't it would've been a BIG disappointment. Coker did not play in the 2nd half.

    11/21 Charleston Southern W 56-6 11 Comp 13 ATT 155 YDs 84.6% 30 Long 2 TDs 0 INT 235.5 QB Rating

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    Coker looked pretty good to me today.
     
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    Agree, he was a little shaky on accuracy and ball placement throws early but for the most part he was very solid. A sleeper whose talents are hidden behind Henry. They really only go to Coker's arm when they need to and he usually delivers. He doesn't really have much of a receiving corp. Ridley is a true freshman whose good but learning, Stewart is above average and has been clutch that's about it. They did miss Drake today. #16 Mullaney was in a different playbook than Coker today and was on the bench most of the 2nd half. Mullaney was also contributed in part to Coker's accuracy and ball placement problems early, poor route runner.
     
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    This is what I saw today, Coker throws a beautiful deep ball. When is Drake going to be back? Henry's tounge was dragging after 45 carries. BTW, I like DRake as much as I like Henry. Drake is more versatile. Even though Drake appears to be somewhat injury prone.
     
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    It should be noted that Auburn has the #89 defense in the country (13th in the SEC) and Coker was only able to put up 6.9 YPA despite getting single coverage on the outside all night.

    He did have two really nice throws, including the TD pass. But with Henry setting Iron Bowl records on the ground you'd expect to get a little bit more efficiency from your QB, especially since Bama ran quite a few screens and push passes that boost the QB's stats while requiring very little effort.

    He also struggles big time in the red zone, once the field can no longer be stretched and he is forced to complete intermediate passes. Bama dominated this game but had to settle for five FGs because once they got inside the 40 Coker was 3/8 for 36 yards. Two of those completions were screens and the last was the TD pass where we scrambled out, bringing the defense up, and then hit his WR over the top. It was a great play, but it just highlights how much he needs the deep ball to be effective.
     
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    2015 SEC Championship Game
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    first half for Alabama is all Henry and defense. 7-2 Florida who gave up a safety. Ridley catches a late, long pass from Coker into red zone. Two plays later Henry runs it in 2:26 left in half Alabama up 12-7
     
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    12/5 Florida W 29-15 18 Comp 26 ATT 204 YDs 69.2% 55 Long 2 TDs 0 INT 160.5 QB Rating
     
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