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Completely agree with that.There were other options available immediately when Spencer went down. It was not a necessity that swing tackle Salaam be the starter for a year going on two.
WOW! TC ..... I sense a surprising amount of frustration from you. Remember, back in the offseason (when everyone was calling Rick Smith a genius with his acquisitions) I was commenting that all Rick Smith was doing was signing FA's that nobody else wanted. That's what he should be doing in his sleep. Genius would have been signing one of the high profile FA's when our cap is strapped or making a blockbuster deal. Everything else is just a normal day at the office. I also said that signing below average FA's wasn't going to improve this team ..... just give us more depth of below average talent. I also harped frequently that they needed to be addressing the oline and that Jordon Black WAS NOT a solution. Teams just do not allow quality LT's to walk away like the Chiefs did.I say we go to Costco and pick us up a spare running back. As I said last week, I saw a big muscular guy there who looked pretty fast. You need to pay with cash, check or Amex to shop there, and you also need a membership card.
Tell me your names of all these backs better than Green, and what price you are willing to pay after Game 6 of the season to get a back who hasn't practiced with you.
Personally, I think there are some fundamental issues that the Texans have with their run game other than just the backs. I don't buy the backs, the offensive line, the scheme, or the play calling. I have never been convinced that the Kubiak passing game can work along with the Sherman run game. Show me which regular season game the Texans have had where they work together.
You've just crushed my dream of opening the El Ranchero China House buffet and exotic boot emporium. My signature dish was going to be sweet and sour Fajitas with Egg Drop Refried Beans on the side. You sure know how to steal a man's dreams don't you.Funny...someone emailed me today and asked me what I thought of the team at this juncture and I made an analogy of combining a Chinese buffet with a Mexican restaurant as I mentioned the Sherman man blocking scheme with Kubiak's zone blocking scheme. Two very popular kinds of food but an awful combination.
I'm in...El Ranchero China House buffet and exotic boot emporium. My signature dish was going to be sweet and sour Fajitas with Egg Drop Refried Beans on the side.
Now that I am thining with a clear head, I agree with what you are saying.WOW! TC ..... I sense a surprising amount of frustration from you. Remember, back in the offseason (when everyone was calling Rick Smith a genius with his acquisitions) I was commenting that all Rick Smith was doing was signing FA's that nobody else wanted. That's what he should be doing in his sleep. Genius would have been signing one of the high profile FA's when our cap is strapped or making a blockbuster deal. Everything else is just a normal day at the office. I also said that signing below average FA's wasn't going to improve this team ..... just give us more depth of below average talent. I also harped frequently that they needed to be addressing the oline and that Jordon Black WAS NOT a solution. Teams just do not allow quality LT's to walk away like the Chiefs did.
I still believe the team is better overall than last year but we, as fans, need to manage our expectations of this team. We just don't have the talent to be REAL playoff contenders yet.
You are wrong. It's not Ahman, it's the line. Go back and watch the game again, the line got absolutely no push and created no holes. Ahman can't hit what's not there. McKinney's season ending injury has really hurt the run-blocking and look to see C. White and K. Studdard getting more time (chron.com).Jeeze. Ahman Green is not going to get it done. He's a good stopgap. Trade for somebody, anybody, tonight. Give away what needs to be given away. If there is a high potential guy available, take a risk.
We have got to have a running back NOW.
Yeah, I know. Best receiver out, 2nd receiver out, other people out, QB "dinged," blah blah.
Comes down to whether you're willing to pay the price to win. If you are, get on the phone and get a RB in here tomorrow.
If you're not, piddle along.
Winning teams are aggressive on and off the field.
don't feel like the lone ranger. Herv and I was talking about why we should avoid posting on game day...its a day of the spewage.I have said alot of stupid and redundant things during this frustrating 4 game stretch....
You've just crushed my dream of opening the El Ranchero China House buffet and exotic boot emporium. My signature dish was going to be sweet and sour Fajitas with Egg Drop Refried Beans on the side. You sure know how to steal a man's dreams don't you.
Can I join?I'm in...
Signed,
Ron Dayne
I'm not particularly frustrated, rather I'm just talking about stuff the way I see it. I recognize that good players don't grow on trees and are particularly hard to acquire when you are in salary cap hades.WOW! TC ..... I sense a surprising amount of frustration from you. Remember, back in the offseason (when everyone was calling Rick Smith a genius with his acquisitions) I was commenting that all Rick Smith was doing was signing FA's that nobody else wanted. That's what he should be doing in his sleep. Genius would have been signing one of the high profile FA's when our cap is strapped or making a blockbuster deal. Everything else is just a normal day at the office. I also said that signing below average FA's wasn't going to improve this team ..... just give us more depth of below average talent. I also harped frequently that they needed to be addressing the oline and that Jordon Black WAS NOT a solution. Teams just do not allow quality LT's to walk away like the Chiefs did.
I still believe the team is better overall than last year but we, as fans, need to manage our expectations of this team. We just don't have the talent to be REAL playoff contenders yet.
Tampa is desperate for a running back it is not like they or anyone else really went after this guy in the last 3 years. I am not sure we missed on much.We just missed on Michael Bennett again. He went to the Bucs for a 2nd day draft pick.
The Texans took a run at him before. There were 20+ pages about it in this thread.Tampa is desperate for a running back it is not like they or anyone else really went after this guy in the last 3 years. I am not sure we missed on much.
Why was Kubiak hired ? Because he was a successful OC at Denver, or because he's from Houston and/or an Aggie ? If its because he was a success in Denver, why hire someone besides him to run the offense who uses techinques and schemes which are different than Kubiaks.Kubiak has a style and philosophy, and Sherman have a style and philosophy and I never really saw how those meshed together.
I disagree. At lunch time at work, my girl will grab some Ninfa's and I will get some Orange Chicken and rice. We then proceed to mix and grub. It's all good.Funny...someone emailed me today and asked me what I thought of the team at this juncture and I made an analogy of combining a Chinese buffet with a Mexican restaurant as I mentioned the Sherman man blocking scheme with Kubiak's zone blocking scheme. Two very popular kinds of food but an awful combination.
Asians don't tend to eat cheese...perhaps it's a good thing for you to combine cheese and fish or cheese and stir fry...but it's really not appetizing to me. Mexican and Italian works...but not Asian food and cheese based cuisine.Anyways, I agree with your original statement, but not your analogy.
There's the post of the month. Nice job.I am probably wrong on this, but. There are two schools of thought on ZBS. There is the old school Jimmy Johnson Dallas Cowboy version, the Power Zone. In it you use big guys that block and area, it has been around a long time. (BTW TC knows this but many do not, ZBS only refers to the run blocking). The big guys are also usually good pass blockers due to there size. This is the type blocking system Sherman employs.
Along comes Alex Gibbs and he makes an adjustment to the run game. Go smaller quicker guys, use misdirection, and chop blocking to create backside lanes. The problem with the smaller linemen is they are not as good at pass blocking in the traditional way. Their offense needs play action and role outs to keep the QB alive. Denver is not a good come from behind team, and that is not only because of the lose of Elway.
Kubiak was trained to get an early lead by using play action and role outs to get that 1st half lead, and then going into run the ball to shorten the game mode. The Denver air helps with the wearing down of opponents, BTW Atlanta is the second highest elevation in the league at 1050. The smaller, adjusted to the elevation guys are able to establish the 2nd half running game, and wear the other team out.
IMO you can run both types of running games with the correct guys. Flanagan is not able to run black anymore, and the OC does not want to tell his former college player that. When McKinney was in there (and this kills me to admit) the running game looked good. Without him... Also when did the run game start to click last year? When McKinney took over the center position. He along with Weary and Pitts are an athletic middle with size and strength, that can run both types of ZBS systems.
The eye in the sky do not lie. Not in the open feild tring to execute blocks. And that there thingy is 25 % of the GB power running game. That is what amen was brought in to do. And our athletic lineman can not do it.Most people who know what they are talking about will tell you that Pitts and Weary have pretty darn good feet.
Are there running backs in FA that are better than Ahman? No, probably not.
Are there running backs on the market better than Dayne and Gado? Every day and twice on Sunday.
The open field or the second level ?The eye in the sky do not lie. Not in the open feild tring to execute blocks. And that there thingy is 25 % of the GB power running game.
I'm not particularly frustrated, rather I'm just talking about stuff the way I see it. I recognize that good players don't grow on trees and are particularly hard to acquire when you are in salary cap hades.
I do have some structural concerns with the way our offensive coaching staff is put together, and don't particularly believe in the defensive coaching staff.
Kubiak has a style and philosophy, and Sherman have a style and philosophy and I never really saw how those meshed together.
The QB, tight ends, and receivers seem to have it going on. Most of those elements are taught the Denver way. They have a specific thing they want to do, they run the routes the precise way, and it gets done.
The running back situation has been the lipstick on a pig. They say that the run game is important, but I don't have faith that they can fix it because it has never really been good since Kubiak has come on board. There's been some games here and there where it has been good, but never at the same time as the passing game. The Sherman/Kubiak stuff seems to be either/or.
The Smith defensive philosophy is something that is baffling to me. When he came in, we were told he was going to run an aggressive 4-3. He had never had a track record of running a defense by himself, so you could not see what a Smith type of defense was suppose to look like. And I think the answer is so far inconsistent.
So, yeah, what we see now on the offensive side of the ball is so much better than it was in the past. The run game aspect of it is a problem.
What we see on the defensive side of the ball doesn't give me much comfort that when some more talent comes into place, it will all be good.
no way the cowboys would trade their best back in a year where they have one of the best shots of any NFC team of making the playoffs....This is a madden video game trade.Wonder what Marion Barber would be worth to the Texans ? No doubt he's worth a third-rounder, but would that bring him ? Since we don't have a second, we'd have to probably bundle the third with another pick, a second day pick.
Of course this is idle speculation on my part, because I doubt the Cowboys would consider parting with him for anything less than a deal with a fat premium. He was really impressive Sunday though. While the rest of his team was getting their collective butts kicked, he was the kickor. Guy runs hard, and is only 24.
I'm not particularly frustrated, rather I'm just talking about stuff the way I see it. I recognize that good players don't grow on trees and are particularly hard to acquire when you are in salary cap hades.
I do have some structural concerns with the way our offensive coaching staff is put together, and don't particularly believe in the defensive coaching staff.
Kubiak has a style and philosophy, and Sherman have a style and philosophy and I never really saw how those meshed together.
The QB, tight ends, and receivers seem to have it going on. Most of those elements are taught the Denver way. They have a specific thing they want to do, they run the routes the precise way, and it gets done.
The running back situation has been the lipstick on a pig. They say that the run game is important, but I don't have faith that they can fix it because it has never really been good since Kubiak has come on board. There's been some games here and there where it has been good, but never at the same time as the passing game. The Sherman/Kubiak stuff seems to be either/or.
The Smith defensive philosophy is something that is baffling to me. When he came in, we were told he was going to run an aggressive 4-3. He had never had a track record of running a defense by himself, so you could not see what a Smith type of defense was suppose to look like. And I think the answer is so far inconsistent.
So, yeah, what we see now on the offensive side of the ball is so much better than it was in the past. The run game aspect of it is a problem.
What we see on the defensive side of the ball doesn't give me much comfort that when some more talent comes into place, it will all be good.
Without the cut blocks, which the Texans coaches aren't teaching, the Bronco style isn't going to fly here. Instead of the cut block, the Texans try to keep the backside DE honest by running a WR around on a reverse fake. That's not working.Kubiak has a style and philosophy, and Sherman have a style and philosophy and I never really saw how those meshed together.
He's a straight line runner with no wiggle...he has a hard time making people miss and there is a reason that the Broncos gave up on him and a reason he was shopped around after the Lions found out that Mike Martz has a tendency to find guys like Trung Candidate and think they are decent backs, only to find out later that they are just fast guys.For them as is interested, here's the NFL.COM comparison of Tatum Bell (who we could have had for a song yesterday) and our own top-of-the-line RB, Ahman Green. It's pretty interesting.
This is the link to Tatum Bell on NFL.COM.
http://www.nfl.com/players/tatumbell...e?id=BEL598152
His lowest APC for the last 4 years is 4.1 yds. In 2006 he was the Broncos main RB with over a thousand and an avg of 4.4 or something. Was he hurt or something thereafter?
In any case, if he's "garbage," as Vinny said on the other board, then everybody we got except Green is what? Mulch?
Here are Green's stats if you want to compare.
http://www.nfl.com/players/ahmangree...e?id=GRE035797
Lack of attention to oline?i'll agree with that much.
rick smith is fine. don't you start a complain train and get him kicked out!! don't you do it!!
His stats are better than Green's and they aren't some yokel's opinion, they're earned on the field.Tatum Bell? lol
That was a joke, right?
I watched him when he was lighting things up in Denver. If he falls to the ground when touched how come he gets more yards per carry than Green? You can't make a stupid argument like "he's got no wiggle" (duh) when the numbers say he's more productive than your first string guy.You ever watch Tatum Bell play or are you just one of those stat whores that base their conclusions off of what the numbers say. He is one of the softest runners in the NFL. He's got no wiggle and falls to the ground the second he makes contact with a defender. He sucks, plain and simple.
Stat whore....very nice. Not quite as good as an asshat though.You ever watch Tatum Bell play or are you just one of those stat whores that base their conclusions off of what the numbers say. He is one of the softest runners in the NFL. He's got no wiggle and falls to the ground the second he makes contact with a defender. He sucks, plain and simple.
If you only want to base players by their numbers, then reggie bush really was jesus in cleats in college, and now he's a decent slot reciever in the NFL... Stats are easily skewed by a few plays. I wonder how many yards Bell got on 3rd and short situations? If its less then 2 then we already got a back who can get that for us. Besides, the trade deadline is over, so unless the Lions flat out release Bell, its a moot point.I watched him when he was lighting things up in Denver. If he falls to the ground when touched how come he gets more yards per carry than Green? You can't make a stupid argument like "he's got no wiggle" (duh) when the numbers say he's more productive than your first string guy.
There is a whole lot more to running the football that just the RB. If you have great enough run blocking you could turn Ron Dayne into a 100 yd per game rusher.
Why mortgage the future to be a .500 team this year? We are building a team, and short-term solutions to long term needs are not how quality teams do it. It will takes years to undo the problems that Casserly & Capers left us with, and it will take time to build depth and have good players everywhere we need them.
Hey man, don't you get it! I got my fantasy teams to look after, I ain't got time for this "long term, build a team" crap, and I don't care what quality teams do, and I don't care about the future. I want short term fixes NOW. I want to win NOW. Those draft picks mean absolutely nothing to me. If we have to give them all up during the middle of the season to get Tatum Bell in here, then do it, NOW! I want instant results. Just win baby! NOW!Why mortgage the future to be a .500 team this year? We are building a team, and short-term solutions to long term needs are not how quality teams do it. It will takes years to undo the problems that Casserly & Capers left us with, and it will take time to build depth and have good players everywhere we need them.
There is a stat that would pretty well answer what you need to know - Yards After Contact. I'm not sure if Stats, Inc. tracks it for the NFL; it might be kind of like TFL for college vs. professional. Anyway, if you can find that stat for Tatum Bell vs. Ahman Green, you might be able to ratchet up the conversation. This offense needs a runner who can break arm tackles and get to the second level, because they're not opening holes the size of trucks.His stats are better than Green's and they aren't some yokel's opinion, they're earned on the field.
My point is not we should have gotten him at all costs, but that he's as good or better than the best back we have, and we could have had him for a song.
actually some of us watch football and don't just look at stat sheets. I'm sure you still think the great Bob Gagliano got a bum deal after he never got another job once the Lions stopped using the Run-N-Shoot.i'm guessing some of you guys are the same guys who wanted, in yrs four and five, to "give David a chance to prove himself." Resisting any change, following along and making excuses for ineptitude from coach and GM. Fine with me. And yes, it's a moot point now anyway.
What is not moot is that the team had several chances to get a decent backup RB in here before the trade deadline an elected not to. Twas ever thus.
actually some of us watch football and don't just look at stat sheets. I'm sure you still think the great Bob Gagliano got a bum deal after he never got another job once the Lions stopped using the Run-N-Shoot.
Pal, Bell was available for a 6th rounder. Hardly mortgaging the future. But if it makes you feel better, rage on.Hey man, I ain't got time for this "long term, build a team" crap, and I don't care what quality teams do, and I don't care about the future. I want short term fixes NOW.
Getting crap for a future 6th round pick is still getting crap for a draft pick. Even it is new crap to the team it is still crap, no matter how you want to espin it.Pal, Bell was available for a 6th rounder. Hardly mortgaging the future. But if it makes you feel better, rage on.