It's the RUNNING BACK, STUPID.

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  1. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk All Pro

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    Jeeze. Ahman Green is not going to get it done. He's a good stopgap. Trade for somebody, anybody, tonight. Give away what needs to be given away. If there is a high potential guy available, take a risk.

    We have got to have a running back NOW.

    Yeah, I know. Best receiver out, 2nd receiver out, other people out, QB "dinged," blah blah.

    Comes down to whether you're willing to pay the price to win. If you are, get on the phone and get a RB in here tomorrow.

    If you're not, piddle along.

    Winning teams are aggressive on and off the field.
     
  2. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    fully agreed...lets give up our first round pick next year so we can get to 9-7.
     
  3. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    I say we go to Costco and pick us up a spare running back. As I said last week, I saw a big muscular guy there who looked pretty fast. You need to pay with cash, check or Amex to shop there, and you also need a membership card.

    Tell me your names of all these backs better than Green, and what price you are willing to pay after Game 6 of the season to get a back who hasn't practiced with you.

    Personally, I think there are some fundamental issues that the Texans have with their run game other than just the backs. I don't buy the backs, the offensive line, the scheme, or the play calling. I have never been convinced that the Kubiak passing game can work along with the Sherman run game. Show me which regular season game the Texans have had where they work together.
     
  4. Kornele23

    Kornele23 Rookie

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    You gotta love guys like you. You make no sense what so ever. You want to give up our future for now.....lol. Are you kidding? We are a work in progress and we need to be patient. We are going to win our fair share of games this year but we arent going to the superbowl. Be realistic.
     
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  5. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    Funny...someone emailed me today and asked me what I thought of the team at this juncture and I made an analogy of combining a Chinese buffet with a Mexican restaurant as I mentioned the Sherman man blocking scheme with Kubiak's zone blocking scheme. Two very popular kinds of food but an awful combination.
     
  6. beerlover

    beerlover Site Contributor

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    this is the only guy worth dealing for & apparently he's not going anywhere-

    General Manager A.J. Smith reiterated yesterday that Michael Turner will remain a Charger through the 2007 season, the same thing he promised when he took Turner off the market in April.

    But Smith covets Turner not only for his contributions in situations such as Sunday's blowout victory at Denver, in which Turner ran 10 times for 147 yards and a touchdown, but also for insurance in case Tomlinson were to get hurt.

    “The most important thing is this season,” Smith said.

    Smith also expects to get a third-round pick as recompense for losing Turner in free agency.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071009/news_1s9chnotes.html

    that would be a compenstory end of 3rd rd. pick-
     
  7. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    LOL. This is what I said last May in part:

    Mike Sherman as OC: What Does This Mean for the Texans Offense?

    Eric Winston in a radio interview said he thought that the linemen for the Texans had a good combination of agility and power to run both power and zone blocking. All lines do some sort of combo blocking, even the Denver line know for its ZBS, but I think that they have more of a philosophical direction on what sort of linemen they want--roadgraders or lighter agile guys. Sometimes if you try to be good at too many things, you are good at nothing.

    When Kubiak came to the Texans, the pundits were all high on the Texans running game, thinking it would be an insert back here, gain a ton of yards. And the truth is that much of that came from the blocking scheme they ran, how it meshed with the passing game, the offensive line blocking and the running backs coach. Things that didn't get stole from Denver. (The parts of the offense run by ex-Denver guys are the parts that work the best, esp TE coach).

    And what happened instead was that the Denver running game never translated to the Texans because they didn't have the pieces, parts and scheme to run it, but that the Denver passing game got worse because the guy grooming their QBs and helping their wide receivers left to be the Texans head coach.
     
  8. hookinreds

    hookinreds Hall of Fame

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    Where was this post between week 2 and 3?
     
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  9. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    this is some of what I wrote earlier fwiw...

    Our backs scare no one, we have a bunch of second grade wr's on the field, the line has a journeyman LT, a washed up Center and a RT that is a better pass blocker than a run blocker at a traditionally run block heavy position. Fred Weary is probably the only player on the line that seems to be winning all his battles....some of this reason I have to pin on their trying to run Denver's blocking scheme but forcing Sherman and his man concepts in...it's like mixing a Mexican restaurant with a Chinese buffet. You may think you are serving more folks what they want, but it's an awful combination. I could be off-base on this but I don't like our hybrid blocking schemes....they need to go with a power man scheme (sherman) or a zone scheme (kubiak)...this hybrid crap where you don't do either well but do a little of everything isn't working. It's like when you buy a all in one device appliance...it gets the job done, but it everything works worse than a stand alone device. I know that most teams use a bit of both concepts...but they tend to make a game plan that uses one more than the other depending on the opponent. We seem to line up in a power set one play and use a zone concept the next....I don't see any rhyme or reason to it...just seems like a clusterblank.
     
  10. Runner

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    I posted similar jack-of-all trades master-of-none sentiments about Kubiak's tendency to like swing players on the line. I don't want a left tackle because he can play right tackle too. I'd like to see a left tackle. Same thing with guys who can play guard and tackle - they are OK for spot dury, but they shouldn't be relied on as long term starters, IMO.

    Between the finesse/power blocking and swing players, the o-line probably has an identity crisis.
     
  11. Busa_Bill

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    Somewhere between 2-0, and getting your heart ripped out by the champs.
    You could see the decline starting in that game. The ball stopped bouncing our way, and the players heads began drifting to another place.
    Missed opportunities, miscues, penalties; it all started in game 3 and has continued since. Call me Cptn. Obvious, but it is what it is.
    Our team has to find its heart again.

    Go Texans
     
  12. RTP2110

    RTP2110 Thank You Andre

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    Trade deadline has passed...........I think
     
  13. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    So me, you and Vinny are in agreement.

    I'd prefer to be wrong.
     
  14. mexican_texan

    mexican_texan Furry Tractors

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    We run the ZBS. However, because of the personnel we have, or lack thereof, we have to run some sort of power scheme. Not because we want a hybrid offense, but because the team just isn't ready to be fully committed to the ZBS yet. Kubiak still needs to go out and find linemen, since he is for the most part, playing with linemen he inherited, not guys he hand picked.
     
  15. Specnatz

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    Nope it is Tue sometime not sure the exact time.
     
  16. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    um, no...that's not how it goes to the best of my knowledge. This was the master plan and it's not "plan B". I think he likes the feet of Chester and Weary and likes Winston on the outside. Our Guards are really pretty athletic and not a couple of big powerful stiffs.
     
  17. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    No, the Texans don't run the ZBS the way that Denver does. Sherman would get pissed last year if anyone suggested that we ran what Denver runs or that the Texans were running pure ZB.

    We run a power/ZB blend because that is what Sherman does. We don't have Alex Gibbs or any of the ZBS disciples coaching our Oline. And this year the Texans increased the amount of power blocking that was done compared to last year. If anything, the team is going the direction of less zone blocking.
     
  18. Carr Bombed

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    It's not just the running back........our line isn't pushing ANYBODY around.
     
  19. beerlover

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    If there is a split I'd favor Kubiak winning out & Sherman gone maybe after the season. in two drafts Kubiak has used four picks on linemen, one late (6th rd. Lundy) on RB. aquiring Green via FA (Sherman) Gado trade (Sherman). yep, I guess its true :cool:
     
  20. mexican_texan

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    So it was Kubiak's plan to have a hybrid offense the whole way? It had nothing to do with the horrible running game the Texans had the first few games of his tenure? As I remember it, he brought in Vonta Leach so that he could use an extra blocker at fullback, thus bringing in the need for a power scheme to add to the ZBS that was somewhat implemented.
     

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