Its a long road.

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  1. gtexan02

    gtexan02 Working?

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    I came to a realization recently when typing a respone to another post: The Texans have at least another year or more to go before they start playing competitive, "any given Sunday" football. Why? Heres my thoughts:

    Capers and Kubiak have 1 thing in common - they are both system guys.

    At first I thought Kubiak was a pure system guy--Someone who wouldn't adapt his system to fit the players. But then I realized something else: He IS adapting, and thats exactly why we're failing. Kubiak is a west coast, zone blocking system, mobile QB guy. Thats how he suceeds. Obviously, we don't have that here. So what does he do? Adapts.
    -Enter Sherman. Bringing in Sherman allowed Kubiak to try and mix his system with GBs OL system in this hybrid system. The result? Our team looks worse than either of those systems.

    So what does this mean? Kubiak needs to overhaul the personel on this team before we will suceed. We need new OL, we need a new HB. On tope of that I see us overhauling our defense quite a bit. Basically, it will take some luck, and a lot of drafts and FA periods for us to bounce back. the huge contracts and dead money we have looming overhead will keep us from really making an impact for at least a few more years.
     
  2. WWJD

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    I personally think the Texans are low on "impact" type players. The only one I can think of on offense is Johnson; any team would love that guy.

    On defense I can't think of any although I suspect the Texans feel Mario will be that type of player one day and perhaps he will.

    They really need to make some wise choices next draft.
     
  3. gtexan02

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    Heres the biggest problem I see: Lack of players.
    Heres a list of people I think are either gone or removed from starting roles after this season:

    OT - Spencer - He's huge, and coming off a leg injury. Not a ZBS guy, I think he was brought in for this year and the transition only

    OG - Pitts - Too big to be an effective ZBS guard. Maybe they'll move him to tackle?

    C - Flannagan - He's already lost a step this year, next year I think he's really going to disapoint.

    C - Hodgon - This guy just isn't cutting it imo, and ZBS centers are "supposedly" easy to find late in the draft

    T - Wiegart - I bet he's done. Age + Injuries = retirement looming

    WR - Mathis - I hear he's uncoachable, and now that we have a receiver that can actually contribute in the passing game and return game, I think Mathis might be out

    DE - Babin or Peek - I doubt we keep both of these tweeners around

    DT - Payne - I bet he's going to retire after another ACL tear

    OLB - Greenwood - I actually like his play, but who pays a guy of his caliber 5+ million?

    OLB - Orr - If Wong can come back healthy, I see Orr gone to a 3-4 team

    CB - Sanders/Faggings/McCleon - I sure hope none of these are starting next year...

    FS - Brown - This guy should be a backup

    Thats a lot of replacements we need....
     
  4. infantrycak

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    They didn't spend the 65th pick of the draft on a guy to bring him in for a single year. You are far too hung up on size. FYI--both of Atlanta's starting guards are within spitting distance of 310 lbs. It is about ability more than a 3% difference in weight.
     
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    Its not just his size, its his mobility. i don't live in Houston, and can't watch the games, but based on his measureables (I know that is stupid, but its all I have!), he doesn't have the speed needed from a quick moving ZBS guy.

    The main reason I'm doubtful on him is because the initial injury reports were that his leg could have suffered permanent damage, and that he might not recover. I haven't heard anything either way since then.
     
  6. WWJD

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    Well first of all they have to start drafting wiser. They gave away I think 2 or 3 draft choices for Buchanon and in hindsight that has really come to hurt them.

    They did the same with Babin. And he's average to me at best. Certainly not worth the price.I am hopeful they can pursue some FA's next offseason for depth purposes and draft well.

    And I hate to talk this way after just a few games but it seems that the Texans are already in a "next year" type mode.
     
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    You can't measure speed or footwork based on height and weight.

    Were these official reports of some kind or internet fan worries because I have seen none of the former and without that the latter is just internet hysteria?
     
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    According to football outsiders, the Texans have played the 4th hardest schedule in the league.

    If judging games on paper, the Texans should be 0-5 instead of 1-4.

    It doesn't get any easier this weekend, but if you just judged games by paper, we should probably be 0-8 historically with the Jaguars, instead of the 4-4 that the Texans are.

    Of course, Kubiak needs more time to get more of his kinda players, but at this point we don't exactly know what the 2006 Texans are capable of. We have seen flashes of good play by the offense and the defense, and you never know when a team might stop thinking so much and just play. You've seen that a bit with the defensive side of the ball.
     


  9. gtexan02

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    OK I did a little digging, and found some interesting things. First off, you brought up George Foster in a previous thread of an example of a big OT that moves well. So I looked a little deeper into the measureables of Spencer, and found his playing ability belies his combine results. Apparently he plays faster than his 40 time would dictate. For the doubters (like me), heres what you have:

    Foster - 6'5" 338
    Spencer - 6'5" 358
    So let me be the first to say I was wrong, and hopefully he'll make a full recovery! At least LT is a position we hopefully don't have to worry about.

    Lol, after all that, heres a quote from that broncos fan "kubs-elway" in the other thread:
     
  10. kubs-elway

    kubs-elway Rookie

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    The cap will be the only thing that slows this process down.


    1 Morlon Greenwood
    $7,544,840
    2 Kailee Wong
    $7,030,720
    3 Eric Moulds
    $6,600,000
    4 Seth Payne
    $5,506,160
    5 David Carr
    $5,504,400
    6 Domanick Davis
    $5,384,400
    7 Dunta Robinson
    $4,239,400
    8 Steve McKinney
    $3,250,000
    9 Zach Wiegert
    $2,654,840
    10 Kris Brown
    $2,454,400
    11 Mike Flanagan
    $2,209,210
    12 Gary Walker
    $2,206,160
    13 DeMarcus Faggins
    $2,005,000
    14 N.D. Kalu
    $1,952,310
    15 Jason Babin
    $1,783,663
    16 Dexter McCleon
    $1,721,875
    17 Tony Banks
    $1,653,520
    18 Jeb Putzier
    $1,505,610
    19 Barrett Green
    $1,465,000
    20 Travis Johnson
    $1,290,000
    21 Chester Pitts
    $1,261,160
    22 Lional Dalton
    $1,204,290
    23 Andre Johnson
    $1,155,000
    24 Jason Simmons
    $1,028,960
    25 Ephraim Salaam
    $1,003,520
    26 Sam Cowart
    $1,002,530
    27 Lewis Sanders
    $944,400
    28 Victor Riley
    $816,760
    29 Mark Bruener
    $769,400
    30 DaShon Polk
    $695,280
    31 Antowain Smith
    $692,090
    32 Troy Evans
    $661,280
    33 Saleem Rasheed
    $658,530
    34 Wali Rainer
    $650,000
    35 Chad Stanley
    $635,280
    36 Sage Rosenfels
    $630,000
    37 Ron Dayne
    $570,500
    38 Jerome Mathis
    $566,000
    39 David Loverne
    $543,080
    40 Jameel Cook
    $542,200
    41 Nick Luchey
    $508,235
    42 Ramon Walker
    $461,160
    43 Fred Weary
    $460,600
    44 Anthony Weaver
    $460,170
    45 Antwan Peek
    $386,160
    46 Bryan Pittman
    $386,160
    47 Seth Wand
    $385,720
    48 Derick Armstrong
    $384,840
    49 Shantee Orr
    $384,840
    50 Kevin Walter
    $384,730
    51 Michael Stone
    $374,706
    52 Drew Hodgdon
    $355,900
    53 Frank Chamberlin
    $349,412
    54 Charlie Anderson
    $311,160
    55 Glenn Earl
    $311,160
    56 Cody Pickett
    $310,830
    57 Roc Alexander
    $310,720
    58 Edell Shepherd
    $310,390
    59 Anthony Maddox
    $309,840
    60 Courtney Watson
    $309,180
    61 C.C. Brown
    $305,300
    62 Vonta Leach
    $305,000
    63 Derrick Johnson
    $290,500
    64 Roy Manning
    $245,500
    65 Guss Scott
    $236,160
    66 Thomas Johnson
    $236,000
    67 Tim Bulman
    $147,006
    68 Samkon Gado
    $126,465
    69 Doug Nienhuis
    $121,765
    70 Kenneth Pettway
    $101,594
     
  11. infantrycak

    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

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    Where did you get your numbers? They are way off from our capologist who has been very good over time.

    Link
     
  12. Rightnow

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    I agree with everything you posted except Spencer, but Spencer's career might be over or he may never be the same.

    We literally have to rebuild over half of the team's starters.
     

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