I know I am probably in the minority that thought, prior to the Raiders game, that this current staff could potentially still make it work. Not this season, but potentially in future seasons. I knew Wade was done, but not Kubiak. I was swaying toward "he can't get this done" prior to the Raiders game, but I wasn't all the way there yet. I had questioned a lot of what Kubiak had done over the years. His staff hires have been underwhelming to say the least. He has had clock management issues from time to time, play calling issues as well. But I always liked his offensive scheme. I know now that I put too much value in that scheme. I felt the same way about Rick Smith, mostly due to some of the plus draft choices he had made and the Antonio Smith signing, until probably this past offseason. I was very much against not resigning Quin and trying to replace him with two guys, a rookie and an old veteran. I knew that our RT situation was going to be concerning, but didn't know it would be quite this bad. The cap situation we had to endure was probably the most worrying. I started to question his ability as a GM right around that time. I knew Kubiak and his handpicked GM and coaches were done the moment Kubiak put Schaub back in today. It has been clear that the team was sparked by what Keenum brought to the fold. He had his struggles against the blitz and in second half of games, but it was clear that they believed in him more than they believed in Schuab. They were ignited by his playmaking ability. It was obviously true for Andre Johnson given some of his statements and the way he had seemingly enjoyed playing when Keenum was on the field. The decision to put Schaub back in just killed the locker room completely. Kubiak just put a guy in that the rest of the team didn't want in and didn't believe in. They can never take him seriously again. Andre walking off the field just reinforced it for me. I knew then that everyone was thinking the same thing, even the players. I don't think Andre was just walking away from Schaub, but he was also walking away from what had just transpired. I think it really got to him. That's when I truly knew that this FO was done. I was probably later than most in realizing this. What about you? When did you know, for sure, that this thing was over and done with?