Is No Tackling in Our Practices Leading to Missed Tackling in Games?

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  1. CloakNNNdagger

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    I certainly understand the arguments against tackling in these circumstances.........concern over injuries............concerns evidently heightened even moreso this year.

    But with the Texans having no tackling allowed during practices as I understand it, you've got to ask yourself, how can this not affect tackling in real games..........especially when it becomes evident last night that missed tackles continue to be a concern?

    Tackling dummy drills do not afford valid real-time duplication. But it's not just injury that is a risk during non-tackling practice contact. That contact also addresses fundamentals by correcting bad techniques, and if absent, is likely to lead to poor tackling........and unnecessary penalties......while still creating a set up for unnecessary injuries. But it's not just the defense that needs contact to improve in practice. The offense needs to be hit as well. Skilled players need to learn how to fight off defenders as well as maintain possession of the ball during contact....i.e.,ball security.

    In a no tackling contact practice, a player that is in good position to make a tackle generally will get a whistle blown to signify the end of the play, and that he got the "tackle." But in live play where actual tackling occurs, those assumed tackles don't always have the same results. Being in position doesn't necessarily mean that a linebacker, for example, can stop a ball carrier. How the linebacker hits the ball carrier, what angle he takes to hit the ball carrier and how he finishes the tackle are all important aspects to tackling.

    Many colleges have already adapted this same non tackling practice policy. And it would be hard bent to believe, after watching college ball, that tackling has not been negatively affected by the time the player reaches the NFL.

    I would invite your thoughts and comments.
     
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    at this stage of a career you would think a professional football player would know how to take the proper angles and wrap up, but that being said, I think without the practice, players start to develop bad habits and start to forget the fundamentals.

    I think tackling is a muscle memory type thing and if you stop, the memory forgets the proper way...
     
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    I would have to see more game film. We didn't tackle much in practice last season and we did good. I think it was a combination of a big dude running unexpectantly fast. Swearing made a mistake, and the other 2 were in bad positions. Just referencing the really big play as I felt we did pretty good defensively otherwise.
     
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    And did you happen to watch the kick and punt plays?
     
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    Isn't this minimal contact during practice a league rule and not just a Texans' decision? I'm pretty sure that the decision to go to walk thrus during the 2nd practice of two-a-days came from the new collective bargaining deal. Perhaps the minimal hitting is also a result of that deal.

    I agree with your premise that it (minimal tackling) will result in sloppier and sloppier play on defense and special teams.

    I'd be curious to see if there has been studies on whether this new, minimal tackling philosophy has actually resulted in fewer in-season injuries. I'd bet - without any data to go on - that it hasn't.
     
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    With the new CBA, teams are prohibited from tackling during practice, including training camp, unless the practice is in full pads. And the number of full pad practices are maxed to 3 a week during training camp, and 1 a week during the season. But individual head coaches have the leeway to determine how "full tackling" to how "minimalistic" these practices will be handled.
     
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    I think missed tackles has always been an issue for this team for as long as I can remember. I don't know what the exact cause is, but it demonstrates the lack of emphasis on fundamentals imo.
     
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    And there in lies a great deal of the problems of any team not allowing follow through tackling.

    Effort to the ball=Looks like Tarzan

    Not wrapping up=Plays like Jane
     


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    Texans need to let their guys chase some chicken every day for an hour or so, LOL!
     
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    Actually no, the vikings feed seemed to suck during kick and punt returns, I missed the 50 yarder by Patterson
     
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    Had you done so, I'm sure you would have probably emptied your Pepcid bottle by the end of the game.:gun:
     
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    I'd probably just blame it on Coach Joe. Besides, I wouldn't want my players practicing tackling on kick returns, as someone who did kick offs I can say those tackles freaking hurt
     
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    Those tackles are many of those players' only chance to show their tackling ability. I know you're not implying that our STs players should only try for tackles cold turkey in their first regular season game.........if they even make it to the final roster. They already looked like that for the past couple of years. I am not looking for a another "repeat performance" this year.
     
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    Maybe I'm just too desensitized to the poor tackling on STs that I don't even care about them anymore. That's why I only mentioned the defense. I'm not saying go cold turkey on tackles, but not "live" tackling on kickoff practice, people will get hurt, and while it probably won't be a long term injury most of the people trying to make it on STs have a very short window to do so
     
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    Alternatively, if these players haven't learned how to tackle by now, after dedicating their lives to doing just that from the age of 6 or 7 (in most cases), can we really expect them to learn it now? Kinda like expecting HWSNBN to change a sidearm delivery after using it his entire life.
     
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    I won't get to see the game until 9PM PST so I can't really answer the question, but as far as DJ is concerned, his tackling was a worry of mine right after he was drafted. He would go for the big shoulder hit rather than wrapping up. I hope Friday's game serves as a wakeup call that he's a young man among grown men. Shoulder tackles don't cut it in the NFL. Every NFL team is stocked with All-American college players; the best of the best. Make the big hit, but wrap up while you're doing it.
     
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    This is what pre-season is for. I think by time the regular season gets here guys will be more used to in game physicality and speed. But, we'll see...
     
  20. CloakNNNdagger

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    That's what preseason last year was for...........and unfortunately, tackling during the season was very suspect........undoubtedly especially with STs.
     

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