Is it possibe we're underrating Casserly's Performance ?

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  1. nunusguy

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    Not everyone can boast of picking a 4th rounder who goes to the PB his
    rookie year. Or picking a DD in the 4th round.
    And even the most passionate Carr hater on this Board would have to admit
    that Carr's problems were related to his developemnt after getting to Houston
    and not the promise of his talent on Draft day. And Charlie drafted a young tackle way back in the Texans first college Draft, its not his fault that Capers & Co didn't just leave him at LT instead of experimenting along the way with
    Wand, Riley, etc. at that most important and anchor position of the OL.
    And I hear even Babin is maybe making a late comeback this season after beginning the year injured, and causing many of us doubters to reconsider
    his potential ?
    OK, Hollings and Pburnt were big busts, but Casserly gets high marks for AJ and D-Rob.
    And then there's a whole batch of picks from late in the second day like CC,
    Earl, Charlie Anderson, etc. that represent real value for your cap bucks.
    I dunno...I'm starting to wonder if this years mess is not much more about
    what Capers and his staff have done (or not done) in terms of developing and managing the talent they have and not a lack of talent based on personnel decisions made by Casserly ?
     
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    I'd say we are underrating his performance. I'd even go so far as to opine that some players we all "know" are busts would actually be average given the right coaching and/or system. There is nothing wrong with average for a large portion of players on a team - half of the league is below that at any given position. They can't all be super stars.
     
  3. ArlingtonTexan

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    Many people want to make an overall unsatisfactory performance into someone who did all bad. It is never that clean. It is the same with a team, say the Patriots, whose overall record is outstanding. Casserly has had his moments, and the patriots have had some flops.
     
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    It is possible. I think if you made a list of good trades/drafts and terrible trades/drafts, looked at the coaching of these players we might find that Casserly really isn't the problem. I can't believe I'm actually saying that - but maybe Reeves is detail oriented enough to make that list. I hate to see someone lose his job over something that really isn't his fault.
     
  5. bdiddy

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    Casserly has been adequate. However, if the story regarding Buchanon is true - only watching 4 of his games, etc. then this is inexcusable. What kind of reception would you get if you had a major project due and were lazy and misrepresented the facts to your boss. You would likely be looking for another position. Casserly's picks have been average, some good and some bad. I could live with this, but he has been horrendous in the free agent market and has not been thorough in his work. He is getting paid very hansomely, you cannot be excused for the buchanon mistake (and probably others). Additionally, he must stop blaming the bad picks on the coaches. The last time I checked you were the SVP and GM, you are Dom's boss - sure you want and respect his imput, but ultimately it is Casserly's decision of who to pick and/or sign. He needs to accept his mistakes.
     
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    Can we get a link/article to this PBuch story? havnt heard anything of it.
     
  7. Tulip

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    It's entirely possible. We'll never really know unless we see Casserly's personnel perform under a different coaching staff.

    I lean towards underrated, because the Texans have no 1st round busts, and they've had some real later-round bargains.

    He has made some questionable choices, but many of them have been injury-related problems (Joppru, Hollings). I'm not even ready to write off P-Buc yet, because Casserly thinks his defects could have been corrected through coaching. At this point, I have no reason not to agree.
     
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    Here's the link:

    Hands-off Days Over for McNair
     
  11. Corrosion

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    Joe Marciano lobbied for the Mathis pick .... dont credit Casserly there

    Carr ,DRob and AJ were NO-BRAINER PICKS (kinda like the D.Johnson pick SHOULD have been this past draft)... Ill give him a blue star for DD .... But the decisions this guy has made over the past two seasons are abysmal .

    They only watched tape from FOUR games before the PBRUNT Trade .... FOUR GAMES ? :brickwall Thats NOT Due Diligence , Not when you are basicly investing a first round pick in the guy (2nd and 3rd)

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/3515657.html

    Hollings ? who's that ? .... how many games did he play at RB in college ? four or less if my memory serves me ......Not to mention he was damaged goods prior to being picked in the suplimental draft . You dont use a second round pick on a project ..... a broken project at that.... You take those type of players late in day two . :brickwall

    The only pick Ill give him a pass on is TE B.Joppru , he's just had a series of unfortunate injuries and we havent had a chance to evaluate him at all


    Lets not forget who showed J.Sharper and Aaron Glenn the door ..... :brickwall
     
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    Casserly told Sports Radio 610 that he did not watch only 4 tapes of Buchanon.

    I'm not sure what to believe about that, but I'm also not ready to write off Buchanon - yet.
     
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    Its obvious to anyone who watches he definately has some physical talent ....but I think his personality and work ethic counter-balance this .

    What I mean by this is that he would rather play the ball and try to make an INT (more often than not giving up a big play) than to play his coverage assignment .... He's always out of position .

    The other problem is he looks to be scared to HIT SOMEONE ... cant be afraid to hit someone in FOOTBALL .

    When he gets his hands on the ball .... He DOES have take it to the house ability ....Could he have some value on the offensive side of the ball ? (Doubt he would go across the middle as a reciever) .... :confused:
     
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    Let's not forget about our 1st expansion pick, Tony Boselli. Oh and trading multiple picks to a division opponent that's struggling with the salary cap.

    His number one picks were no brainers. Had we taken Harrington over Carr, I don't think it would have made that much of a difference. AJ in year two was antipated. We were projected to take Dunta or D. Hall in year three. TJ over DJ? Bad move IMO.
     
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    I believe Mr. McNair when it comes to how Casserly handled the Buchanon situation, because there is no way any football mind could watch tapes of the guy his first 3 years and think you are getting anyone but what we got. He did not tackle and he did not cover in Oakland, Buch was benched in Oakland also until he was forced to play his man tighter. People use to abuse him as they do now throwing at him all game instead of taking on C. Woodson. Hell I would to and that is what people are doing with us. Either way, Casserly is a gambling man, we know he gambled and was fooled by KC, who was talking up David Pollack like there was no tomorrow, and took the pick thinking DJ would be there at 16. He gambled was wrong lost a stack of chips tough break. Casserly has done well with the no-brainer first rounders and his second day picks, that are drafted for potential for the most part anyway. It seems that our high end scouting department does not do a quality job with the first day picks though. They are solid, but other than first rounders a bit unspectacular. I dont critisize Casserly for his picks, but mainly the trades, personell, and signing methods he uses. He signs people like a guy who is Washington and loves to overpay, the rest of the league does not have to be that way. I also fault Casserly for not being tough enough on Dom to question his loyalty to Palmer, Pendry, and Fangio. We have some quality position coaches that have talent yet they are overlooked. This is the main fault with Casserly to me is he seems to stay a little to hands off for my taste until he starts shopping draft picks and FAs.
     
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    As much as people hate on Carr, this board would have exploded if we had Harrington to deal with!

    My take is that Casserly's performance grades out a D-. Whether he is a D- or an D+ doesn't really matter to me. He stinks.
     
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    My problem with Casserly is not his ability to identify and acquire talent. He's acquired some pretty good talent, some of which had to leave the Texans before we fans found out about the talent. The problem I have with Casserly is how much he's paid for that talent. Babin may become a Pro Bowl player. But he'd have to become a borderline HOF'er to justify the picks we spent on him. That's no knock on Babin - it's all on Cass. Buchanon may well have the talent to be a #2 CB in this league, but he clearly hasn't had the proper attitude to do what it takes to achieve that to this point in his career. You don't pay what Casserly paid for career underachievers. Ragone may turn out to be a decent backup, but he was not worth a third round pick when we used it. Hollings might have been worth a flier, but a second round pick on a guy that had played RB for FOUR college games? Morency can be construed as a questionable pick, given our needs versus our current team strengths prior to this year's draft, but I'm waiting to see on that one.

    Just a few examples.
     
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    Casserly is as much or more the reason for this mess as the head coach. Give him kudos for the Mathis, DD, and Dunta (to an extent) picks but then give him a kick in the *** for Babin, Buchanon, Hollings, Ragone, Victor Riley, Foley, Wand, et al, and the ridiculous contracts given to Walker, Wade, Smith, Greenwood and others that are going to lock up millions of cap dollars in the future while those players may or may not even be here. While some of the problems we are seeing are due to system/scheme, Casserly's draft record is well documented and there's no need to wait and see what "his" players can do under a different head coach and system. His acquired talent - outside of no brainer, high first round picks - is historically average at best.
     
  19. rafterticket

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    Your examples are right slong the lines of my thinking. What kind of talent have we blown with this pseudo wheeling and dealing when we could have developed some really good players on straight draft picks?
     
  20. TheOgre

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    I think the biggest problem with Casserly is that he has done particularly poorly with his 2nd and 3rd round selections. If you exclude those two rounds, then he has done fairly well drafting. Unfortunately, those two rounds should build the foundation of your team (the 1st rounders should be predominantly playmakers). If he stays as our GM, he really needs to do a better job in those two rounds.
     

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