Is Casserly to Blame?

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  1. Exascor

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    I hear a lot of rubblings that Casserly is as much or more to blame than the coaching staff. I'm not a huge Casserly fan but his only downfall IMO has been listening to his coaching staff on players selection/value. I really can't fault him for that. Isn't it his job to bring in players that the coaching staff feels will make the team better? Isn't that why some coaches want to be GMs as well?

    We don't know what goes on for sure but there's no way Casserly makes all the picks and signings on his own. He has to have a ton of input from the coaching staff and the scouts. I'd bet that if it was the Raiders that approached us for the Buchanon trade that he would have cleared it with the coaching staff...including what picks we were giving up. You think Casserly just plopped a 2nd rounder on Hollings without the coaches making some kind of push for him? I doubt it. The fact that Casserly has been able to make moves like the Babin trade, Joppru trade down, Henson deal and a few "this year's draft picks for next year's higher draft pick" deals shows he's capable of making deals when needed. Are they all great moves? No way. Are they all Casserly's fault. No way. At least he shows he can get a deal done when needed.

    Casserly is ultimately responsible for the entire team, players and coaching staff. I suppose that he should have nixed some of the deals like the Babin and Buchanon trades. If I was a GM and my coaches told me that "Babin will be the pass rusher we've been looking for" and had them compared to probowl caliber players then I might have pulled the trigger on that trade as well. OK-that one I still wouldn't have made but can understand why he would do it. I'll just point back to the fact that the GM must rely of info from the coaches and scouts. If that info is flawed, it could take years to find out. So far Buchanon and Hollings (and to a lesser extent Babin) at the very least seemed to have been the result of flawed info. Joppru was back luck period.

    I'm not saying that the entire regime doesn't need to go. Maybe they do. I just think that some people are blaming Casserly for the player moves that he only has a partial part in. Should he be let go along with the coaching staff after this season? What could he do for a new coaching staff? Mr Mcnair has a lot of thinking to do.
     
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    Good post, man, and excellent points. :thumbup

    I agree with you for the most part. I know Casserly has taken a lot of heat on the boards, and there are even questions about his ability to GM.

    But, he has great respect among both the national media (who covers all NFL teams), as well as team owners and football experts. That has to account for something...at least in my book.

    He's also a whiz on the salary cap from what I've read about him. You can never discount the effect that poor salary cap management has on a team's future potential. It can be devastating, and carry for many years beyond the one season you're dealing with at the present.

    Personally, if there is change in the front office, I hope it starts with the HC instead of the GM. But that's just my take, and I'm a mere fan, so what do I know. :)
     
  3. CowboysTexansFan

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    I think you guys are being way too easy on Casserly.

    Of course he's going to make personnel decisions based on the heavy input of the coaching staff, but ultimately, the buck stops with him. It's HIS job to run the team's football operations. If the team's picks and personnel moves ultimately don't work out, he has to take the responsibility. If the coaches and/or scouts gave him bad advice, they should be sent packing along with him.

    For years the quality of the O-Line has been a weak spot and nothing has been done to address it. But more to the point, look at all the bad draft picks made by this regime.

    Second and third round picks have been wasted on Hollings, Joppru, Wand, Weary, Gaffney, Buchanon (via trade) and Babin (all those picks given up for him).

    On the plus side, they picked Davis in the fourth round and were able to swap the Henson sixth round pick for a third round pick.

    The first round picks have been good, but they SHOULD have been, because they were so high, and it's hard to mangle those. Having said that, talk to just about any Redskins fan about Casserly and what they're most likely to remember about him is that he wasted the team's 3rd overall pick in the draft on Heath Shuler.

    In my opinion, on the whole, Casserly has done a lousy job of building the team through the draft, which he said he was going to do. Everyone is going to make mistakes and have bad luck, but any objective evaluation of the Texans' picks does not reflect well on the organization.

    The team has regressed badly and I'm sick of all the excuses. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how the team is possibly going to win more than 4 games this year. If the Texans don't, in Year 4, win more games than they did in Year 1, Casserly, Capers and the whole bunch deserve to get FIRED!
     
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    Great post Exascor. I don't think CC deserves all of the blame he's been given, but he certainly deserves some. One interesting question to ponder is how would this team be different if CC didn't listen to the coaching staff? I'm sure there were players that the coaching staff may have been pushing for that CC wouldn't sign off on, and vice versa. I'm curious what it was about players like Hollings, etc. that made CC feel like they were worth the gamble of taking them. I guess we'll never know for sure.
     
  5. CowboysTexansFan

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    LOL!

    What kind of boss worth his salt listens to his underlings and then blames them when he followed their advice?

    If Casserly listened to the coaches and made bad decisions based on their advice, he deserves whatever blame comes his way.
     
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    My only "correction" to make is that the scouts don't work for the Coaching staff, they work for the G.M. They weren't hired by Capers, they were hired by Casserly. So, any "blame" associated with poor scouting goes right to CC, nobody else.
     
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    The whole coaching staff including managers and all are to blame!

    Also gotta throw it on some of the players
     
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    thats what I was thinking too, Casserly does not seem like the non-opinionated type I believe its his plan, his players & his decisons. at the same time he also seems like a stand-up kinda guy and will take the heat & explain his moves with McNair in detail (communication with your boss is key & he probably cover's his bases well). :texans:
     
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    ditto could not have said it better :thumbup
     
  10. Honoring Earl 34

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    :texflag: Casserly took alot of chances . If they work he's a genius if they don't the fans go on the message boards and want him fired .
     
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    :blah::blah::blah: Ahhh yes, the good ole 'buck stops here' argument. 'Last man off the ship', 'fall on your sword' . . . and on, and on, and on. Tell me something. Do you actually want a GM that doesn't listen to the coaches?

    Here's another little catchy cliche. How about '****** rolls downhill'? If Casserly goes out the door, everyone below him goes, too. Ain't no way in hell anyone's going to convince me that Babin was NOT Capers' boy.
     
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    I think CC is an excellent GM....that being said he's not doing an excellent job.

    Going into last offseason when your #1 priority is to get an offensive line and after the Pace trade falls through you seem to abandon all sense of it and dont draft not one until the 5th round....you shoulder the majority of that blame.

    There's enough blame in this situation to go around though. I mean I know this was our season to go young but we went young and terrible.

    We've drafted too many PROJECTS imo. Babin, Hollings, Joppru....etc.
    I want to see some PLAYMAKERS. .....PROVEN ones for once.
     
  13. eriadoc

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    Casserly has been credited with choosing eight of the defensive players from the Redskins team that won the Super Bowl. Hence, the question - Did he assemble those players at the request of his coaches? And if so, does he deserve credit for listening to his coach when, in hindsight, he clearly should have? Or is he just a puppet on a string choosing what his coaches want and he gets no credit? Or maybe he picked a few of them and has some knowledge of being a GM in the NFL.

    I don't know the answer, but I figured I'd toss that out there.
     
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    This is the All-Big 12 TE from UT that the Texans passed on and the Titans drafted. At UT, he was a good blocker that could catch and run with the ball. Even listed as 3rd team for the Titans, he's caught 9 passes/1 TD vs the 3 passes our TE's have caught.

    It's amazing that everyone but the Texans think they need an all-purpose TE! :brickwall
     
  15. El Amigo Invisible

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    We passed on L.Pope too. We will be seeing him twice a year(Jacksonville):brickwall
     
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    This thread is six months old. What's up? :um:
     
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    Jacksonville took Marcedes Lewis, genius...
     
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    It was a long weekend. Pope went to Arizona but we picked some guy in the fourth from Wisconsin?Brilliant !
     
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    4th and he's Owen Daniels
     
  20. kingh99

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    So then you remember this dolt gushing about these busts right after his "coups" getting them. And he's still in front of the podium.
     

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