Injury Thread

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  1. beerlover

    beerlover Site Contributor

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    Is it on players, coaches/scheme or just bad luck that injuries have plagued this franchise since inception?

    Would be nice change of pace to make it to NFL Playoffs healthy.
     
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  2. CloakNNNdagger

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    Hard to answer that question. My personal thoughts.............The scheme is not likely to be a major contributor to injuries........the execution by the player(s) more likely. The conditioning coaching, medical staff decisions in association with too-eager-to-return players............that are allowed to return too early from "minor" injuries that turn into major ones. Tackling techniques seem to be a recurrent problem........shoulder bumping instead of willingness to wrap up. Keep in mind that the Injury Reports only usually report injuries that are likely to significantly affect the player's ability to play in an upcoming game..........although the rules actually say that injuries are to be reported even if expectations that they will be available on game day............especially so for starters/major players. It is easy to see how minor injuries that go ignored and "unreported," all of a sudden end up be reported when they turn into major ones or compensatory ones during a game. How teams treat these "unreported/unreportable" injuries can have a major effect on a team's ability to stay healthy as the season goes on.
     
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  3. FuzzyLogic

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    Appreciate all the knowledge and information you bring to the forums Doc - but is this specific piece only applicable to the Texans?

    Seems like a wider NFL issue in how they actually treat player safety/injuries as oppossed to what they say about it. It doesn't seem Texans players are injured more often or handled much differently than any other team.
     
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  4. CloakNNNdagger

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    For the most part, you are correct as to most of my post being applicable to most NFL teams. However, the Texans have been more consistent in having players play when they definitely shouldn't..........just like with Clowney after his initial meniscus tear.....saying that continuing to play on it won't make things worse.
     
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    So as Clowney nears the end of his 5th season in the NFL, what's your assessment of his career givin his injury history ? Better than what you might have expected
    at one time ?
     
  7. CloakNNNdagger

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    Yes, but I would not push luck and extend him to any longer than 1 year terms (franchise or otherwise)........or better yet hope that someone with blinders to the realistic future wants to play Russian roulette and gives us a good trade.
     
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    This is easy. Tag him and see what happens. Entertain every "tag and trade" option. Shop him around. Do anything and everything but cut him or give him a long term, big money contract.
     
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    Sage advice C&D and lets hope that one Mr Gaine also possesses your wisdom on this matter.
     
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    Maybe someone on Kirby reads this forum and is as impressed with C&D knowledge and injury analysis as we are, maybe even as outside consultant for the Texans?

    They need some serious checks and balances to address player prognosis, treatment, repair and rehabilitation to maximize player health and career as Texans.
     
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  11. CloakNNNdagger

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    As relates to D. Thomas, I just remembered that Terrell Suggs ruptured his right Achilles in 2012, then went on to rupture his left Achilles in 2015 (at age 33). He has come back with relatively good performance.
     
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    Bell would be nice but probably won't be effective here. Look at Pittsburghs Oline and look at the Texans Oline.
     
  13. Uncle Rico

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    I wonder how much correlation or data there is to support the notion that injuries have gone up as practice contact has gone down?

    If all week you're just whistling through the wheatfields and then you get clobbered on Sunday wouldn't it be more of a shock to your body and possible injury cause compared to practicing for those hits during the week?
     
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    especially soft tissue as muscles that haven't been stressed become abused suddenly
     
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    Sure, but that would have to be balanced out by reduced injuries in practice. Seems like the data is out there.
     
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    A 2017 article by FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS. Keep in mind that injuries in general may only be creeping up over the years, but severely limiting non contact practices following the CBA was purportedly to drastically DROP injury rates. That certainly hasn't happened. This article excludes the offseason/preseason, but it is certainly evident that injury rates during those periods have shown no inkling of decrease...........despite the fact that instead of 2-a-day contact practices being the pre CBA norm in both these periods and the regular season...............there has been continued increase in injuries.........certainly absolutely no decrease in injury numbers (not to mention the unreported/hidden injuries that never see the light of day on the Injury Reports). The 2018 season has continued the trend. There is no doubt that the CBA with its "softened" practice rules and the NFL with its incremental game rules meant to protect players from injuries for the most part have been a miserable failure.

    The Truth Behind Rising Injury Rates
     
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    Interesting to note that ACL injuries have occurred in practices as commonly in practices than in games
     
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    What about non contact injuries? Seems like there are more of those nowadays than in the past.
     
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    There's a lot more non-contact practice time.
     
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    Would it not be wise to cut Thomas this off season to avoid his $14 m cap hit 2019 considering healing time? An injury settlement of course to cover medical needs. Would you think ability he showed preinjury would encourage both sides to rework an extended but reduced costs deal?
     
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