if we have a top ten defense?

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  1. ATXtexanfan

    ATXtexanfan Site Contributor

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    if we have a top ten defense does it matter how mario plays? i'll take an 11 man unit over an all pro olb. so far everything has looked improved but everyone is all over mario. if he fails and leaves we have barwin and reid for next year and dont have to worry about his deal. i'm done with all the mario talk cause it looks like we will have an attacking D with or without him being special.
     
  2. Allstar

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    Hell no it wouldn't matter how Mario plays. That would actually be an ideal situation, considering his contract situation.
     
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    For someone who's done with all the mario talk, you sure started a thread that will inevitably be completely about him. Really, people are getting too hung up on Mario's performance, he's a very valuable player to have on this defense
     
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    That's the best you could come up with? How about if we have a top 10 defense to go with our top 5 offense, can we threepeat in the Super Bowl? :turtle:
     
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    Since you are done with Mario talk, I do not expect any response from you, but you asked so here goes again. Of course it matters how each and every player performs. What many readers don't seem to get is Mario is different than any other player due to cap hit of apprx. $14 million and is in last year of contract. More importantly, unless he has a completely abysmal season, he should bring a very lucrative trade offer from at least a couple 4-3 teams. I have repeatedly said I am not advocating a trade but want to listen to any offer that betters Texans. I don't want to see Mario walk away after season for nothing. If he is real good, he will be offered a real sweet deal or we can acccept a trade. Texans are in the driver seat.

    We only have 3 pre-season games behind us and Mario looks incrementally better, but he has not distinguished himself. His job is to blow blockers up, toss opponents aside like a tornado and cause havoc in the backfield. Same as when he was a 4-3 DE. Can he do this? I think he can. Will he is the issue.

    Sure it is a team sport but #1 pick is supposed to do his job and then some whether it is a QB, RB, CB, LT, OLB or Mario Williams. I think it was very wise for Wade to hedge his bets by drafting Reed.
     
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    Brooks reed is a violent tackler.
     
  7. Lucky

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    Drafting Reed wasn't about hedging bets. They absolutely had to find OLB help in the draft. They had 3 guys on the roster, (Williams, Barwin, & Nading) penciled in at OLB. Barwin was coming off a major ankle injury. I thought they would draft 2 OLBs, but finding Braman as a UDFA seems to be a lucky break.
     
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    Vikings gave up a 1st, 2 3rds, and swapped a 6th for Allen. I would expect something similar for Mario.
     


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    I got to agree with ya even though I am a fan of trading him, it isn't going to happen and the D is doing very well. So it is really a mute point, we going into the season with what we got and as a unit they look real good, don't know about top 10 but they look damn good so who really cares what we do with MW ... LONG As they put rings on their fingers at the end of the yr who really cares....

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    Man. if that was offered, I do it right after I recovered from fainting. Oh, lordy, I am off to figure a draft with two firsts, a second, three thirds...:dancer:
     
  11. Hervoyel

    Hervoyel The Right Track

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    You draft guys to build a defense. A starting defense is composed of 11 players. If none of them are standing out statistically but your defense is in or around the top ten (admittedly unlikely but still...) then you win games and hang up your "Mission Accomplished" banner. Mario isn't the most "fluid" OLB I've ever seen and still looks kind of stiff to me but who cares. He's making his presence felt and other players are benefitting from it. He's not accumulating stats at the rate we're accustomed to but notice that nobody is in a hurry to be the first team to ignore Mario Williams.

    I suspect that the first offense that tries to get away with that will pay dearly.
     
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    "His job is to blow blockers up, toss opponents aside like a tornado and cause havoc in the backfield. Same as when he was a 4-3 DE."

    I'm sorry, but when did he ever do this? Someone please show me a clip of him in "tornado mode". And while you're at it. Show me all these double teams he was supposedly up against as a DE.
     
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    welsh texan Lest we forget

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    Even if Mario doesn't have a big statistical impact you know that teams have to gameplan for him anyway, and that opens things up for others around him. I think the Texans have the right idea with him this season, there isn't really a lot to lose by letting him play it out.

    If he isn't worth the money he's offered elsewhere to our team, let him walk.

    I'd rather have 2nd year Brooks Reed starting OLB than Rookie Brooks Reed anyway, he'll have more time to develop and similar to Barwin's rookie season he'll have his chance to make an impact.
     
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    If we have a top ten defense... then throw in a badass Mario.... we'll have the greatest defense of All TIME
     
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    I don't care so much about statistics as very misleading but I do watch the player. If any are not playing as he should, it is time to consider a replacement.
    If Mario makes his presence known and others create the havoc, cool beans. I need to see a bit more impact from him and soon.
     
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    Even with Cream Jackson!?!?!?!?! :gun:
     
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    I said it is his job, never said he was or was not doing the job.
     
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    But see this is the point that I and others bring up, we don't want him to just walk. We want something for him. If he is offered a long term contract beginning at $12m next season and say 5 years $75m & we don't match, I want something in return.
     
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    Really? Seriously? Really? This is like the 5 time I have read this type post. How are you coming up with this?
     
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    So why don't we lock him up now?

    Guarantee him $40million, $14 million signing bonus lock him up for the next 3 years or so. If he doesn't curl your toes as an OLB, I'm sure well still get good offers for him as a 4-3 DE.

    The $14 million bonus would equate to the same cap hit we're taking this year.
     

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