I want this guy playing next to Demeco!

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  1. Ole Miss Texan

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    Rey is the man

    Though my Trojans didn't need him to kill the Ducks!

    I wouldn;t mind Brian Cushing in a trade down as long as he clears medically.
     
  3. beerlover

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    I'm going to watch the safety play today against the Colts. Brown has been serviceable (now out for the season) & Demps is not the long term solution anyway @ FS so lets pay carefull attention to Barber, Mitchell & Harrison see what they can do, maybe the best guy playing next to DeMeco is an upgrade @ safety first?
     
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    biggest need is official now it's Safety & I've never been on that bandwagon, ever but after that performance the Texans do not have a playmaker in the secondary the cb's need help over the top & they're not getting any its always one on one. :mcnugget:
     
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    I want this guy playing next to Demeco:

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    He is a turnover machine!
     
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    I love ya to death old Miss. Where are you going to play Ray in the 4-3 ? Can't play him outside...can't cover. So you put him in the middle and move Demeeco outside...? I don't see it.

    Well beerlover I could be reading way too much into what they've done in the past...and I agree one fix would to be draft one of these spectacular safeties...they ain't going to do it. They have their prototype and where they want to take the guy...and it isn't in the first round.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1985_roster.htm

    http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/db.html

    Dennis Smith & Steve Foley...Now if Kubiak believes that Mays is his Dennis Smith...he might bite. I won't believe it untill I see it. Both Moore and Mays are big enough to be Wills.

    1981 The Broncos took Dennis Smith after Kenny Easly and Ronnie Lott went off the board.
    Eight years later.....
    In 1989 they took Steve Atwater 1.20.
    Detha O'Neil in 2000 1.15
    Willie Middle Brooks 1.24 2001

    So in twenty eight years the Broncos have taken a Saftey in the first round twice. And in almost thirty drafts they've taken a Db high five times. Yeah, I'd say there's a pattern here.
     
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    I see Mays, Rolle and Moore going in the first and the rest going in late 2nd to 4th. I am a big fan of Patrick Chung and then kid thinks like a mad man. I cant find the presser but he went on to say that he and the ducks secondary are the marines of the team and they try to hit and destroy people.
     
  8. Ole Miss Texan

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    Re: threetoedpete

    You definitely have some good points. But after seeing what Patrick Willis is doing compared to what our LB's are doing, I'd like to find a guy a close to him as possible. Watching this guy play and hit, I can just feel our team being that much better.

    Here's kind of how I got to Rey. I'd love a pass rushing DE and would fully support that pick, but at this point it's hard for me to figure who would be best suited for a 4-3 and not 3-4 de/olb. I like M. Johnson. DT? nope, CB? maybe but we'll see how dunta, bennett, reeves, and molden are all playing. FS/SS? I'd love one- was a huge fan of Landry but I'm just as convinced we'll never choose a safety in the 1st like many feel about RB. so there goes our defense if its not DE.

    On to offense: Doubtful we pick QB, WR, TE, T, C... so that leaves RB and G. I'd love to have a pro bowl guard but i'm not so sure we pick one unless we make a trade similar to duane brown's. RB? could be a big help but I think more value would be a another position and shoot for one of these in the 2nd or 3rd.

    So that's how I got to LB and Rey would arguably be the BPA. It's very rare for me to find a LB I'd be willing to move Demeco over for but outside of P.Willis, this is it. I want us to finish building our OL and our Defensive front 7 once and for all.

    Draft is still a long ways away and plenty can change. But he's definitely someone we need to keep an eye on.
     


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    Texans secondary inability to stop anyone has to be addressed with a high priority pick then cover & build around him. Bennett, Reeves, Molden even Dunta when he returns need help over the top, someone to read & react to help the corners in single coverage. the Safetys left on this team just don't have the speed or playmaking skills in pass support. heck look @ Indy without Bob Sanders, their secondary was expoused or Jacksonville without Reggie Nelson these players are critical, the DL & LB can only do so much if the QB has enough time most NFL QB's can just pick apart the Texans secondary even with a cb right in the receivers hip pocket.

    If LB is the bpa or you have a choice for this team between Rey Maualuga or James Laurinaitis I'd do with the former if you want more production & can somehow look past the highlight reel footage of Rey doing his Ray Lewis impersonation. Besides better production you could interchange DeMeco with James in different packages to confuse the QB enhancing pressure. James is a very smart player, this is something that needs to be emphasized, not just reading the playbook but understanding it completly & quickly. I understand the temptation is there just based off the charts measureables but it seems often times its the LB thats overlooked who outworks his more imposing counterpart that shines @ the next level.
     
  10. Ole Miss Texan

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    good points on both counts beerlover.

    Of any year, this could be a year for safety. Our two starters are injured (1 for the year) another is old, and three are basically rookies in there. If they don't show too much progression it could be a need pick. Safety is one of those positions I really would like fixed to help with coverage.

    towards production vs. measurables. Demeco was never really that flashy but he's a true football player. Smart and instinctive- that's what we need more of.
     
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    I'd say our need for a safety is about as high as our need for some linebackers (plural), and our need for another d-end who can pressure the QB.

    Our defense is beyond bad. We will need to upgrade more than one position to get this thing on track.

    I'd be really happy with either of these guys. I think moving DeMeco to the outside might be a good idea but ONLY if we get someone who can play as well as him or better than him in the middle, which I don't see happening. That MLB is very important.

    My question is can these guys play on the outside? How will they fair man to man against TEs in our division? Crumpler and Clark will tear you apart. We need OLBs that are fast and that are exceptional in coverage, see Keith Bulluck.
     
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    I don't see anything special. Even Earl Brown can "jack up" recievers.
     
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    I figured you would make the connection :winky:

    however what about your Ole Miss game this past weekend against South Carolina (Dunta Robinson/Fred Bennett alma-mater). didn't you notice they had the nations #1 ranked defense led by a Safety named Emmanuel Cook? reminded me of Bob Sanders, hey the Texans could use him. by the time this College season is complete I expect a full report in reference to all the best defensive players you watched play against Ole Miss. next up Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn & LSU. :mshadows:
     
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    Yeah, we dont need much on offense, maybe a change of pace for Slaton.


    If we move Ryans outside, Ill be VERY pissed. Willis wasnt good enough to move him for? Thats just sloppy and a missed evaluation.
     
  15. Ole Miss Texan

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    Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch the game saturday. I will, however, be glued to the Alabama game. Definitely taking some notes on SEC defensive players, especially Linebacker. Brandon Spikes, LB from florida is a guy that looked really really good to me. He can really rush the passer well.

    Agree, Slaton's been playing awesome. Im starting to think a change of pace back for the offense may be a bruiser and that's something they can easily find outside the 1st round.

    Not sure what you mean about the second part. Willis was easily someone I would move demeco outside for. I don't fault the Texans one bit going after Amobi though. A penetrating DT with that upside, their #1 defensive player on the board.. you gotta take him. With him its mostly upside and thats a risky move. If it pays off, it will help big time- but i think we still have yet to see. Willis (most linebackers) we would see more immediate affects.
     
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    Rey would be nice, but IMO we need serious help in the secondary. Corner or Safety.

    Then we can go OLB and DT. But we also need some O-line help either in the draft or FA.
     
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    1. Pass rusher
    2. impact outside linebacker
    3. ball hawking safety
     
  18. YoungTexanFan

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    Well, talking strictly in terms of the draft, I think your order is a little off. A pass rushing specialist can be found on the second day of the draft because their stock usually falls due to measurables and size. I think we have an impact OLB in Ryans, and it would be easier to upgrade the MLB position with an impact player than it would be to upgrade with an OLB, though we could get an OLB in the second, but not an "impact type" you are probably referring to and certainly not after that. The ball hawking safety will be an early pick. If it is the third priority, there is no point in wasting a pick honestly. It's how we end up with C.C. Brown as a starting FS and we end up with the mess we're in now at the S position. Barber/Harrison/any "flyer" type guy isn't going to be the solution. The game changing safety I would assume you want can only be found early in the draft, and as a high priority.
     
  19. The1ApplePie

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    BPA is probably the way to go.

    The internet talking head have Selvie listed as a top ten pick but every pro scout one like Rivals has him as a second rounder.

    A draft netting Maulauga in the first and Selvie in the second could really turn things around
     
  20. beerlover

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    & you believed them?

    Selvie at worst is top 15 material, just look @ the early run on DE last draft :shades:
     

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