I dont want to call out anyone....

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  1. Atl Cav

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    ...but these posts (note below)criticizing Matt Schaub are sad and revealing.

    This guy has had to deal with no defensive support, poor O-Line play, and no running game. I became a Houston supporter because I thought Matt could really help turn this franchise around. Anyone with a little league knowledge of football knows where the Texans are weak. Shore up the glaring - and I mean HUGELY glaring issues - and this franchise can win.

    Obviously there is talent on defense, just why cant we enforce our will on the opposition?
     
  2. bah007

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    I haven't been hangin around the board much today so I haven't seen any posts criticizing Schaub.

    Anyone who lays any of this on Schaub is just flat out wrong.
     
  3. NitroGSXR

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    I don't know what you're talking about. My only concern with Schaub are his injury issues. Outside of that, he's been absolutely solid. I'm happy to have him on my team.
     
  4. TexanBacker93

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    The INT was on him, but I can live with those kind of plays because he's trying to make something happen and more often than not I think Andre gets that ball. He's going to have great plays and he'll have some turnovers as well. I think the better plays will be more frequent, though. I would like to see him look at Andre sometimes in the red zone. Maybe they don't want to go that way, but the man deserves some chances down there. If it's a play call issue let Schaub call the plays down there.
     
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    Schaub is god. Defensive coordinator is an ass-hat.
     
  6. cdollaz

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    Schaub may not be elite, but he is WAYYYYY down on the list of our problems. Just about every position on our team needs upgrades before QB is considered.
     
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    7 TD (should be 8) and 1 INT through 3 games........there's ALOT of teams that would take that in this league, infact a large majority of them would take that production.

    Schaub isn't the problem in Houston, the defense/coaching is.
     
  8. Thorn

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    The offense isn't the problem, even with it not running very well. We are scoring points.

    It's simple. Our defense sucks, and that's why we have lost two games.
     


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    That is almost exactly what I said when that INT happened. I just shrugged and said no big deal. It was early in the game, he was throwing to AJ one-on-one, and the INT left the Jags with poor field position, so it was no worse than a punt, really. I'll take gambles like that.
     
  10. mariowillshine15

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    In Houston defense is waiting to get back on offense.
     
  11. thunderkyss

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    And anyone who says Schaub is spotless, is flat out wrong.

    Plenty of blame to go around here.
     
  12. thunderkyss

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    I didn't get a clear view of it, but from the stands, it looked like he couldn't step into his throw.

    Had he been able to step up, that ball would have been in front of AJ for a TD.
     
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    Where's the plenty of blame for Schaub......he's played excellent in back to back weeks.

    Sorry, but other NFL teams get paid too. You can't bank on your QB to throw TDs everytime he has the ball to bail you out.

    Schaub holds no blame in this game......he MORE THAN did his part today. He even lead us down for what would've been the game tying TD.

    Yes he threw a pick, but that happens from time to time. If you could guarantee me that Schaub would have 300 yards, 3 TD passes, with 1 INT.....I'd take that every week. God knows what his #s would look like right now if he had a defense that could get off the damn field and give him the ball more.
     
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    yes!

    I mean heck, this was the jags offense we were against and gave up 31 points .. this wasn't the Saints or any of the high powered scoring offenses
     
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    I'm not saying he didn't have a good game. But he could have been better. & for where we want to go, he needs to be better. There were several throws all through the game, where he had no pressure, yet he almost threw it in the dirt. Causing our receivers to have to bend over, come back or in some way adjust to a poorly thrown ball.

    That's what they get paid to do... yada, yada, yada. That's not my point. If there's no reason for him not to throw a perfect ball, I expect it to be a perfect ball.

    There were several times I wished he had thrown the ball to the deeper receiver, and he decided to hit the guy on the shallow/intermediate route. I understand that I can't watch the pocket, & the receivers at the same time, so it's kinda hard for me to judge if he made the right decision or not..

    & my biggest criticism of Matt Schaub, is that I expect him to make plays more times than not when protection breaks down.

    It's my opinion, that what happened at the end of the game, would have been different if he would have played better earlier in the game.

    I'm not saying he Romo'd us. Only that he has room for improvement.
     
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    LOL, No quarterback in this league throws a "perfect ball" every single pass (even if they have good protection). If the watermark here is that Schaub has to be "perfect" week in and week out, I hate to disappoint you, but that's NEVER going to happen......no QB can live up to that expectation.

    When your offense moves the ball like ours did and your QB plays as well as ours did.......you should win.....any other criticism is just nitpicking. This is one of those "too much credit and too much blame things". Anybody who's trying to place blame at the feet of Schaub is reaching and ignoring what really cost us the game.
     
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    Obviously Schaub wasn't spotless, and obviously if Schaub played *better* we could have won...

    But he definitely great, and good enough for a win if the defense could hold even once.
     
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    What do you know......the alltime great Peyton Manning had perfect protection, plenty of time to throw, and even he just floated a pass for a INT..

    Nobody is perfect...

    Did anybody watch Drew Brees today?......didn't play near as good as Schaub, but his defense sure as hell showed up. :rolleyes: Gee I bet that would've helped today.
     
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    I'm not blaming Schaub. I thought I made that clear. I hope our coaches aren't giving him the same pass you are though. That's how we end up giving $8 million bonuses to QBs that don't deserve it, & waste a year of our time, then franchise a CB that is a laughing stock.

    And even though we gave up 31 points, and 3000 yards, we were still in this game in the last 2 minutes. I don't think we can just blame the defense.

    This game, to me..... is us playing a team that is our equal. if they score 31, we've got to score 32 to win.

    One day in the future, our equal will be the Steelers, or the Colts, or the Patriots. & they will score 31 points. If we can't score 32 points on the Jags, then it's not looking good for us to ever be in the same category as the Good AFC teams.
     
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    So what are you saying? That our offense should just put a hold on getting better, & wait for our defense to catch up?

    I bet Peyton will lose sleep over that through, because he expects better of himself.
     

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