HPF: No matter what we do,it will be wrong and we will "Eat it" twice a year

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  1. Wolf

    Wolf 100% Texan

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  2. big homey

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    That was (sadly) kind of funny. Sometimes I share the same thoughts. It seems like we're cursed - no matter what the team will make the wrong move.
     
  3. LikeABoss

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    I agree with what he said. Reggie Bush should have at least been on the field as a WR to at least draw the attention away from Lendale White. Texas game planned to contain Bush not Lendale, Lendale had himself a good game off it too.
     
  4. Wordem

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    Vince accounted for 467 yards from the line of scrimmage and he won the national championship. He's the better player.
     
  5. Hervoyel

    Hervoyel The Right Track

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    That was a heck of a game but it doesn't prove that he's the better player. That's speculation on your part. Nothing more. You just got that burnt orange "Rose Bowl Fever" that's going around.

    As a matter of fact I don't think you've posted once on any subject other than how badly you want Vince Young to have your baby. Any other aspect of the Texans interest you? Anything?
     
  6. dtran04

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    The sad thing is that if we somehow got Young and Bush ends up shredding us up twice a year, people are gonna be like "Casserly is an *****. Bush was a no brainer." It really is a lose/lose situation.
     
  7. Scooter

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    you sure that was from HPF? it looks like something out of espn's page 2.
     
  8. Wordem

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    I feel that strongly about it. You don't miss out on history. Those of you who still doubt VY's ability haven't watched him play nearly enough.
     


  9. dtran04

    dtran04 Hall of Fame

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    The only way the Texans don't get screwed is if Bush decides to stay at school.
     
  10. Marcus

    Marcus Ruthless pragmatist

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    I believe Hervoyel asked you something.

    Well?
     
  11. Wordem

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    I think Casserly should have gone with Capers. That was a mistake on McNair's part, who I believe is a good owner. I have no problem with Kubiak being named the head coach. He's learned from one of the best. I also think we're fine at RB with Davis. The problem is leadership on the field, and that falls at the feet of David Carr. And of course the O-line sucks.

    McNair is in a difficult spot. As a lifelong fan of Houston's teams, having spent a good part of my youth in the Dome watching legends like Nolan Ryan and Earl Campbell, I know McNair would be making a BIG mistake in the eyes of many Houstonians if he passes on Young. He really is a special athlete and a special football player.
     
  12. pskinny

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    My thoughts exactly. I couldn't have said it any better than HPF. I'm not a Longhorn fan, but I understand the Horn fans who would love to see the man that brought them a national championship in a Texans uniform next season. What I can't understand is how Bush went from savior to scrub in a matter of three in a half hours, and Vince went from not worthy of the number 1 pick to the next coming of Jesus. Wake up!!! Bush is still the same player he was before the Rose Bowl....Remember? The next Barry Sanders, not Desmond Howard.

    We all need to realize that the Texans have invested multiple millions of dollars into David Carr, and they are not going to give up on him until they believe he's been given a fair chance to excel. Meaning, put him behind a Oline that could block my 86 year old grandmother blitzing up the middle. And put him in an offense that allows him to showcase his abilities like he did at Fresno, not this three step drop, WR screen, or drop off to Dominick BS that we see week after week for the last three years.

    That being said, it is pretty obvious to me that regardless what Horn fans want to happen, VY is not coming to Houston. Please stop acting like you'll cease to be a Texan fan if the Texans pass on Young. Cause you know you'll be on your feet screaming the first time Bush does his dive and roll into the endzone...."ROCK AND ROLL!!!! Touch down, Reggie Bush!!!!"
     
  13. Trapped

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    Gyep, Wolf is right.

    We will either have to see Reggie Bush twice a year or Vince Young twice a year. Pick ur poison.

    I think we as fans kinda feel that the Texans will make the wrong decision no matter what.

    If we draft Vince Young, he will be considered a bust cuz Carr might turn into a Drew Brees and we have all this money tied up at the QB position. And if we draft Reggie Bush, Vince Young later on becomes an "elite QB" for an opponent that we hate and that we should of just drafted him cuz he was a houston product while Reggie Bush looks like "average".

    I heard all the scenarios, let's just support houston no matter who they draft.
     
  14. Wolf

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    IMO .. the only solution is to get some players on the defensive side of the ball,because we are going to have our hands full for the next 5+ years after this draft either way
     
  15. YoungTexanFan

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    I think a consensous agreement will soon be reached on this point.
     
  16. BREAZE

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    This is the biggest misunderstanding I get from this whole debate. Everyone wants what's best, but I would think we all realize whatever happens we will improve drastically in the long run...at least I hope we realize this.

    However, assuming someone becomes a bust if you were GM/Owner and were going to take one of these 2 no matter what then selecting Houston's favorite son may be the safe choice because the fallout would not be as dramatic if VY turns bust. If you choose Bush and he becomes a bust then a bigger black eye is sustained. If you trade down and don't select either one then history will reflect back that you were trying to address needs.

    One things for sure, the Titans could not pick a better year to get the 3rd pick and whoever they get will be a handful for us for many years to come...but it goes both ways.

    I'm just glad I'm not the GM/Owner...
     
  17. beerlover

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    mistake if we squander the opportunity to address needs in areas of this draft that are deep & talented. meaning we can still address the offensive line & Linebackers in the 2nd & 3rd rounds after we take the #1 playmaker Young/Bush. if the Texans go VY I sure would be :) to take Pope 2nd. rd.

    Offensive side of the ball- Offensive Tackles, Guards & Centers above average.

    Defensive side of the ball- Inside & Outside Linebackers above average
     
  18. awtysst

    awtysst Draft Guru

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    Beer,
    I was just thinking, if the Texans do take Vince Young they should take a Guard or RT in the second round to provide him some extra protection. Then in the third round the Texans can take a defenisve player with pick 1 and a TE that Vince is very familair with: David Thomas.
    Any thoughts?
     
  19. groutfulone

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    The main problems I have with this thread are these:
    -I never believed Bush would be a dominant player in the NFL. He will be good, about as good as Warrick Dunn as a utility back, but not a running back legend. Why else was he on the bench for USC's most important offensive play of the year? NOT because Carroll is a bad coach. Please! He took a fallen school team to the brink of 3 national championships! He is fantastic. No, Bush was on the sidline because he is not a dominant runner against good teams. He is good a pushing guys in to the end zone, however.

    -Vince Young is the most dominant quarterback to EVER play college football. He was the highest rated passer in D1 this year and is the first quaterback to throw for 3000 yds and rush for 1000 yds, EVER!

    -This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for this franchise just like Jordan was for us, Portland and Chicago. He is that amazing of a player. As big as Ben, as fast as Vick as accurate and poised as Montana. He will win multiple Super Bowls.
     
  20. BREAZE

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    ...and possibly all in Titan gear! Ah man, can you imagine?? This is the pure definition of a double edged sword.
     

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