How Much Are You Willing to Give Up for Von or Patrick?

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  1. thetexanator

    thetexanator All Pro

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    probably have to get into the 4-7 range.

    whats too much, whats reasonable?

    im willing to do:
    1)swap 1st's
    2)this years 2nd
    3)next years 2nd

    --nothing more. would this get it done, i dont know but thats all im willing to give up.
     
  2. El Tejano

    El Tejano Hall of Fame

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    Isn't that similar to how we got Schaub? I do recall giving up a few 2nd rounders for him?

    I remember not having 2 2nd rounders for a while and I recall it hurting us a bit. However, it's the price this regime is going to have to pay because they need to be in the playoffs or they will be looking for another job.
     
  3. gtexan02

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    I dont really like trading that many draft picks to move up 4-7 spots. These are, after all, rookies. And no rookie is a sure thing. Id prefer to use the picks to get proven vets if we're going to be putting out that kind of expense
     
  4. ATXtexanfan

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    i think we need as many bodies as possible
     
  5. El Tejano

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    I agree with gtexan02 and ATXtexanfan. One only needs to see how San Diego panned out with Ryan Matthews and we need an improved team. We aren't just one player away like some other teams are.
     
  6. kiwitexansfan

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    Nothing.

    We need a S more than CB and I am not as keen on Miller as some.
     
  7. CloakNNNdagger

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    Here it is..........Texan's next small school golden nugget diamond in the rough pick!

    Draft sleeper: Baldwin-Wallace pass rusher Keith Darbut

     
  8. The1ApplePie

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    Way too much to pay for a guy that could be the next Aaron Curry or Maybin in Miller.

    Especially when you are sure to get someone like Bowers, Fairley, or Prince A falling into your lap
     


  9. thetexanator

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    we did give up 2 second rounders for schaub.

    i think peterson is worth it, im not sold on von miller.

    patrick is the best player in the draft, and hes not the 1st pick because of his position. the guy is a physical beast, like a.j but on defense.

    sounds like you guys arent sold on the trade up scenario.
     
  10. nero THE zero

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    Kubiak has mentioned that moving Quin to safety is a real possibility. The official McMouthpiece of the Texans has said that the Texans will move Quin to safety if they can get a CB in the draft and/or FA. Further, many scouts feel that Peterson's best position is at safety.

    So, essentially, advocating for drafting Peterson is advocating for an upgrade at safety no matter how it happens.

    I agree with you on the need to upgrade safety, so I have always been on-board with trading up for Peterson. I was on the fence on Miller until I heard Greg Cosell's podcast. Now I am on-board with trading up for him too. Add in the Aldon Smith rumors and I'm desperate for a trade-up for one of those two.
     
  11. Blake

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    I would move up to 6 for Peterson. give up a 3rd this year and next year.
     
  12. thetexanator

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    id also throw in a 3rd if it the choice was between peterson or aldon
     
  13. steelbtexan

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    The 2 2nds and switching spots is about the right value.

    I would trade up in a heartbeat. For either Peterson or Miller. Peterson is about as sute a thing as a rookie as there is.

    I'm for signing Taylor in FA and trading up for Peterson. Tayor/Quin/Allen or Nolan /Peterson would be a huge upgrade in the secondary. You could also draft a pass rushing OLB in the 3rd like Chris Carter or Dontay Moch.

    Do you believe the Texans defense can be fixed in 1 offseason/draft? I dont thnk so. The LB corps in the 2012 draft is deep. Pass rusher like Burfict, Keenan Robinson or Travis Lewis could be drafted next yr. If Carter/Moch etc... dont workout.

    But by trading up for Perterson and signing Taylor atleast the secondary would be fixed. (for the 1st time since the Texans inception.) Also if Peterson didn't workout at CB. He has the size/speed to be an all-pro S. (Sean Taylor ability)
     
  14. Rey

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    I'd trade up for either one of them. Really I don't care what we have to give up. We have never been to the play-offs and we don't have one star player on defense that consistently shows up...

    I'm pretty desperate for some talent. Counting on a bunch of rookies to play key roles doesn't excite me. I'd rather trade up take a stud, and rely on vets to fill the other roster spots.
     
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    Who is to say Quin is an answer at safety? Just because you move someone somewhere doesn't mean it is a solution.

    Give me a guy who is a specialist safety over trying to crowbar a corner into a safety spot.
     
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    If this was on the table I would be more open to it than 2 seconds.
     
  18. rmartin65

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    I have had the fortune of seeing Darbut in action and.....

    not worth more than the Mr. Irrelevant pick. You know how people say player X is more athlete than football player? That embodies Darbut. He is a phenomenal athlete, but is just not a great player. At the D3 level, he should have torn it up. However, his stats are quite underwhelming.

    He needs at least 20 lbs and a good positioning coach, and even then it is hit or miss.
     
  19. mussop

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    No we dont. Quin has basically been moved to safety already so that leaves Jackson and more garbage at CB.



    Why? Someone please explain to me what makes Peterson such a great prospect other than his physical abilities. And dont say because he is a good returner either. You dont draft a CB that high to play him on special teams. To much chance of injury.

    When he faced top WR's he didnt exactly shut them down. To be the top player in the entire draft He would have to be a shutdown corner. He is not. Very good prospect, great athlete but not even close to being the best player in this draft.
     
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    Im all over that deal .....
     

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