How long do you give Jim Shwartz.....

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  1. thunderkyss

    thunderkyss Salem Poor

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    If you were the Lions FO, going into this, you know what you've got, how long do you give Jim Shwartz to turn this into a winning team?

    What goals do you set for him this year?
     
  2. Texecutioner

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    I think between 4-6 six wins isn't to much to ask.
     
  3. TexanSam

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    Four years
     
  4. mattieuk

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    He'll never get four years in this football climate. Perhaps thats what the Lions should do, but in reality, if there aren't at least 4/5 wins this season, I can't see him staying around for another one.
     
  5. Texan4Ever

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    Tony Sparano took the Miami Dolphins after a 1-15 record and turned them into a Wild Card playoff team. Mike Smith took the Falcons after the Vick drama and a team whose previous HC left his team and led them to a 11-5 record and a Wild Card playoff.

    With this in mind, most fans might expect the same from Schwartz but I'll give Schwartz 2-3 years because the Lions are worse then the teams above.

    The Lions have very few *star* players, no go-to QB, an awful defense, and an o-line that flicks off its fans (Dominic Rioala) and gives up 52 QB sacks.

    The Lions fans are good and will give Schwartz IMO some time to get the players for whatever system he may install, but I think 2-3 years sounds good.
     
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  6. bah007

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    The Lions fans are so used to losing that I think he will get the thumbs up as long as they see noticeable improvement every year.
     
  7. thunderkyss

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    So......... you think GK has over stayed his welcome, or do you think we're in a different situation?

    Or are you saying they'll have a winning season in year 4?
     
  8. gtexan02

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    I think the Dolphins and Falcons are important examples here. They were in disrepair and everyone looking at them thought it would be years before they'd contend again.

    Its only with the benefit ofhindsight do we think "they had better players on those teams"

    I think as long as he shows progress, he'll be fine. But if he takes 2 steps backwards, hes gone
     
  9. Specnatz

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    Looking at these two situations and saying that is what I want and expect would be stupid because they are not the norm. Look at the Saints and where they were and where they went to where they are now. Quick rise, quick fall not sustaining the success.

    I rather rise a bit slower and sustain it.
     
  10. HOU-TEX

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    Matt Millen is no longer the GM there so I'd expect a gradual improvement the next couple years.

    IMO, they should take Curry with the first and maybe an Olineman with the 20th. I'd wait until next draft for a QB. Rebuild from the inside out.
     
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    I think its interesting how Miami and the Falcons went two different routes and wound up with great seasons.

    Miami went FA QB, LT#1, then DE and QB in round 2. Although Henne never got a start.

    Atlanta went QB #1, then OT late round 1 and made the playoffs with defense and a great ground game.

    I dont think the lions are confined to taking a QB #1, or confined to taking a OT #1. They just need to make sure they get a good mix of players and build for the future.
     
  12. Blazing Arrow

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    Chief red hat will be like Del Rio. Seems like the team might do something then it just ends up middle of the pack struggling at best to make the playoffs. ESPN will make staffing excesses and the guy will last for an eternity with a middle level team that amounts to nothing in the end
     
  13. Joe Texan

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    I think they should draft a wide reciever
     
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    The Lions are not in the strongest division, so anything is possible. I'd say 4-6 wins will be most likely next season.
     
  15. threetoedpete

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    That always seems to work doesn't it.

    The important thing is to add three or four peicies this year and 2010. No rule where you have to take whom where. Or when. If he hits...they challenge for the NFC Norse in 2012. Curry and Beaty would be a pretty fair start. Go the other way and Take Smith Monroe and come back for a deffensive piece at twenty. Move up with the Texans if there is someone he covets. Move the twenty for extra picks. Come back with just about anyone with the 33...or trade back. In one draft they could completely over hall their LB corpse, and/or their o-line and have two of the best young units in the NFL. Not saying they won't take their lumps. They will.

    They could Take Freeman with the 33 if they are not happy with their QB Crew....or wait on the 2010 class and play the Tebow card. Or the Colt card...the last time I looked they aren't going to run out of franchise QBs next draft. I'm with you. Build your base first. no one is talkng up LeFlour....home State guy to light a fire under Drew Staton. They could probably get that guy in the fifth round.

    In fact by my count there are three or four franchise QBs you can probably have for the vet minimum this off season. They already bought themselves one.
     
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  16. Goldensilence

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    People are throwing around the Fins and Falcons from last year but I'd like to see how each team does this year. I think the Falcons got really lucky that Ryan was more NFL ready than anyone suspected but he got a HUGE boost from his ground game. Miami had some good pieces in place but the thing that sealed the deal was Pennington pulling the trigger. Guy doesn't have a cannon arm but he's a smart QB who can distribute the ball intelligently.

    Given the monumental disaster last season was I think Shwartz couldn't do worse. Long as he doesn't repeat I am pretty sure he'll be given leash enough for 2-3 years to make noticeable improvement. This team is even worse then the 2-14 squad we have to suffer through. I think the fans and FO understand what a mess things are in and long as they see smart moves from the FO and coach they won't riot.
     
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    Everyone keeps throwing the Falcons and Dolphins around as examples that teams who finish horribly are almost expected to vastly improve the next year, which is just wrong, you expect those teams to improve, but only because you don't want them to stay in the bottom of the barrel.

    The Falcons had some things just go right for them this year.
    #1. Their WR's just exploded and had a terrific season, caught numerous deep passes.
    #2. Micheal Turner was one of the top RBs this season.
    #3. The defense overall played better, especially John Abraham.

    The Dolphins got
    #1. Big Tuna
    #2. A great game manager in Chad Pennington
    #3. A healthy Ronnie Brown back
    #4. A surprise Wildcat that helped them win at least 2 games by itself.

    I don't expect the Lions to be contenders next year, I think they'll get about 3-4 wins. I'm also expecting the Dolphins to take a dip this season (sorry Kast) around 6-7 wins, but improve greatly next season.
    I do however, believe that the Falcons will at least stand pat this season.

    /mindless chatter
     
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    GK...Gary Kubiak. I give him some more time because at least we have gotten to 8-8 and plus we were knew to the league (for a while). Lions have been around for a while and they do have some talent which they can coach up and use to better the team. I see Schwartz 3-4 years considering the previous regime has made soooo many bad decsions.
     
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    My thoughts exactly Spec. :goodpost:

    I also wouldn't be surprised to see Miami and Atlanta fall a bit like the Saints. JMHO!
     

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