Houston Texans in the 3-4

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  1. thunderkyss

    thunderkyss Salem Poor

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    I just got schooled on our past coaches history with the 3-4.... did a little research, and now I'm wanting comments from you, the fans.

    What happened??

    Fangio & Capers

    Was Carolina a fluke??

    Was it our players??

    Our drafting??
     
  2. Hawg

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    I think that it was first and foremost Charlie C. You cant blame the players for being brought into a system that they dont know or havent ever played in. Scond i think that Capers/Fangio did a horrible job caching up the players,IMO.
     
  3. Frills

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    Cutting Glenn and Sharper neutered the leadership on the D, and you go 2-14
     
  4. jerek

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    Fangio was a dog, plain and simple. He was bad in Indy and he was bad here. The tape doesn't lie ... review his playcalls and if you watch closely for long enough, you too will be thinking, what the hell was he calling there? Anyone remember our brilliant strategy against, who was it, the Ravens? We were up 2 with less than two minutes to go and we play soft zone to let them nickel and dime it all the way down the field, and then from about the 50 yard line we run cover 0 and blitz everyone and, oh my word, unthinkably our lone safety (who has never been a good cover guy) gets beat by the WR for about 30 yards and the Ravens kick the easy FG for the W. Our guys could have tipped the ball or done just about anything else there and it still would have been stupid playcalling.

    Call it for what it is: a bad coach. Cutting Glenn and Sharper didn't help but our defensive playcalling was just bad.
     
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    In Carolina, they had Kevin Greene and Lavar Latho(sp) rushing off the end, while we had 2 DE in similar positions and didnt allow them to pin thier ears back and rush. Greene and Lathon were hell on olines.
     
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    It was everything.
     
  7. dwilt72

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    I heard numerous references to how hard our 3-4 defense was to learn. I'm not sure why. Doesn't seem like other 3-4 teams had that much problem. San Diego made a change from 4-3 to 3-4 and overnight they improved. I just seem to me that we played too cautious and tried not to lose rather than to win. It just didn't seem like we blitzed enough, or if we did blitz the players couldn't get there in time. I liked Capers, but it seems like Fangio was a loser everywhere he went.
     
  8. Double Barrel

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    Our 3-4 was a cover 2 of sorts, but we lacked any ability to put pressure on the pocket. And without a pass rush (along with soft coverage), we basically had a sort of prevent working.

    It's like the previous staff just lacked confidence in themselves, the system, and/or the players. I never felt like we had any aggressiveness to our squads in the past four years (well, the first year wasn't too bad...think Pittsburgh game).
     


  9. TexanBacker93

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    I would agree. Plus, I think many of Carolina's players had already played in and been familiar with the 3-4. The Texans were transitioning players every year.
     
  10. pittbull

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    Charlie C had no idea what he was doing. The Texans went after project guys, instead of plugging the holes with Vets that previously played the 3-4, like in Carolina. When guys like Clark Haggans were available last season from Pittsburgh, the Texans chose Morlon Greeenwood. This guy barely played the 4-3 well in Miami, and was overrated due to their d being so good. Robaire Smith (plays like Kimo Van Olf) was a great pickup, but he needs a stud DE on the opposite side. Your job in the 3-4 is to eat blocks for the LB's. We let a good MBL go in Sharper and placed Greenwood in there! Foley was released and he was the perfect rushing LB. Charlie C is the reason for the season (2-14). AS for the offense, that was Capers responsbility. Let the o fly, instead of holding it back and trying to play like Pittsburgh. Do a little more searching and you will find most coaches that come from a regime, usually carry the same characteristics. This team was built to play like Pittsburgh, but the players we never drafted like such! Cowher, Shottenheimer, Capers, LeBeau, all these guys come from the same mold. Actually, Cohwer admitted to the pittsubrgh fans why they were succcessful this season, as opposed to the past. He finaaly let the offense be the offense and worred about the defense. If you have a high flying O, let it roll, that has nothing to do with the defense. Their job is to stop the opposing team, not help the offense score. Maybe Capers learned Cowhers lesson a season to late, let's hope Casserly didn't!:superman:
     
  11. ComstockLode

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    Lets not forget, our defense at one time was very good considering the inability of our offense. And especially considering matt stevens was starting.

    What happened you may ask? Players got older, and were replaced with less capable players. Plus we never have had anything but below average OLB and safeties.
     
  12. dwilt72

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    I couldn't agree more.
     

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